How Schools Make Race with Dr. Laura Chávez-Moreno

How Schools Make Race with Dr. Laura Chávez-Moreno

Author: Andrew Lefkowits, Val Brown, Courtney Mykytyn December 18, 2024 Duration: 57:06
We often talk about race as a social construct. We know that there is more genetic diversity within racial groups than between. And yet, race obviously has real life impacts on people's lives. We have talked on the show in the past about the historical creation of race, and looked at the creation of Whiteness, particularly in relation to Blackness. Our guest today complicates this understanding both by asking us to acknowledge the ways race continues to be created and re-created, particularly in schools, and by asking us to consider the label of Latinx as a racial category rather than an ethnicity. Dr. Laura Chávez-Moreno recently wrote a booked called, How Schools Make Race: Teaching Latinx Radicalization in America, in which she argues that schools play an important role in how society makes and remakes racial categories. Through an examination of two dual-language programs in the midwest, Dr. Chávez-Moreno studied the ways these programs reify ideas about racial identity and use what she calls an "imagined" Spanish, as a proxy for racial identification. The conversation complicates our understanding of racial categories, and highlights the ways that school could play an important role in moving beyond anti-racism and towards an anti-race society. ________________ Finding a school where your children can thrive, while avoiding contributing to the ongoing segregation we see today, can feel like a tough issue for socially conscious parents. Check out our FREE guide on how you can start engaging with the education system to achieve just that: Download the guide now! https://mailchi.mp/integratedschools/start-guide ________________ LINKS: -How Schools Make Race: Teaching Latinx Radicalization in America - Dr. Chávez-Moreno's book- https://bookshop.org/a/18658/9781682539224 -Episode 13 - Hopes and Hazards of Dual Language - https://integratedschools.org/podcast/ep-13-hopes-and-hazards-of-dual-language/ -ICYMI: Seeing White - our overview of the podcast series from Scene on Radio - https://integratedschools.org/podcast/icymi-seeing-white-bonus/ -S10E15 – Rebuilding The Black Educator Pipeline with Sharif El-Mekki - https://integratedschools.org/podcast/s10e15-rebuilding-the-black-educator-pipeline-with-sharif-el-mekki/ -S7E11 - A Framework for Antiracist Eduction - with a discussion of the CARE Framework - https://integratedschools.org/podcast/care/ -Zeus Leonardo, at UC Berkeley - After the Glow: Race ambivalence and other educational prognoses - https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1469-5812.2010.00645.x -Contact Dr. Chávez-Moreno - https://laurachavezmoreno.com/#contact Use these links or start at our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us. - https://bookshop.org/shop/IntegratedSchools Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further. - https://www.patreon.com/integratedschools Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org. The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits. This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

It’s easy to talk about school integration in the abstract, but what does it actually look like on the ground for families navigating these choices every day? The Integrated Schools Podcast moves beyond theory into the messy, personal realities of race, parenting, and educational equity. Hosted by Andrew Lefkowits, a White dad from Denver, and Val Brown, a Black mom from North Carolina, along with co-author Courtney Mykytyn, this podcast centers conversations that deliberately sit with discomfort and complexity. Each episode brings in voices from across the spectrum-parents making tough school decisions, educators in the trenches, researchers, and community organizers-to explore why our schools remain so segregated and what it truly means to work toward integration. You’ll hear candid stories about navigating predominantly white spaces, confronting personal bias, and the small, daily actions that either challenge or uphold systemic inequities. This isn’t a podcast offering easy answers; instead, it provides a necessary space to listen, reflect, and engage with the nuanced layers of a deeply entrenched issue. The dialogue here is built on the belief that honest, sometimes difficult talk is a prerequisite for meaningful change, both in our schools and in ourselves.
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