Show Up, Listen, Stay Put, Speak Up

Show Up, Listen, Stay Put, Speak Up

Author: Andrew Lefkowits, Val Brown, Courtney Mykytyn March 22, 2023 Duration: 1:07:52
For a long time, we at Integrated Schools encouraged parents to "Show up, shut up, and stay put". This was a pushback to the ways that White and/or privileged parents often interact with global majority schools. And yet, simply showing up and shutting up, while an important first step, isn't enough. We have to speak out against the inequities that plague our schools. However, knowing when to speak up, and what to speak up about can be tricky.  We're joined by education consultant and Black parent, Dr. Toutoule Ntoya, and political strategist and White parent, Becky Boll, both of whom chose local, neighborhood, public schools for their children. We discuss the challenges of advocating for change within the education system and the need to be in community first. We also grapple with balancing advocacy for one's own child while also advocating for all kids, while navigating the school system's differing expectations for parents based on race.  While we don't land on easy steps or clear answers, hopefully the nuanced conversation is helpful to anyone committed to educational equity.  LINKS: Dr. Ntoya's website (https://toutoule.wixsite.com/toutoule-ntoya) Integrated Schools theory of change - Contemplate, Desegregate, Integrated, Advocate (https://integratedschools.org/) Send us a voicemail (https://www.speakpipe.com/integratedschools) Matt Barnum in Chalkbeat on the link between school choice and gentrification (https://www.chalkbeat.org/2018/3/16/21104583/an-integration-dilemma-school-choice-is-pushing-wealthy-families-to-gentrify-neighborhoods-but-avoid) African American Parent Council in Pasadena (https://aapcpusd.com/) ACTION STEPS: Talk to the young people in your life about your own schooling experiences and how that affects the choices you are making for them. Don't blame global majority schools for the challenges they face. Recognize the role of the system, and view your participation in fixing them as work pushing back on systemic injustice.  Find BIPOC led organizations in your community that are doing advocacy work and ask how you can help.  Join our Patreon (http://patreon.com/integratedschools) to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further. Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – @integratedschls (https://twitter.com/integratedschls) on twitter, IntegratedSchools (http://facebook.com/integratedschools) on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org. We’re proud members of Connectd Podcasts, a network dedicated to helping shows like ours grow and thrive. For more info, or to check out their other amazing shows, head over to their website (http://connectdpodcasts.com/). The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits. This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

It’s easy to talk about school integration in the abstract, but what does it actually look like on the ground for families navigating these choices every day? The Integrated Schools Podcast moves beyond theory into the messy, personal realities of race, parenting, and educational equity. Hosted by Andrew Lefkowits, a White dad from Denver, and Val Brown, a Black mom from North Carolina, along with co-author Courtney Mykytyn, this podcast centers conversations that deliberately sit with discomfort and complexity. Each episode brings in voices from across the spectrum-parents making tough school decisions, educators in the trenches, researchers, and community organizers-to explore why our schools remain so segregated and what it truly means to work toward integration. You’ll hear candid stories about navigating predominantly white spaces, confronting personal bias, and the small, daily actions that either challenge or uphold systemic inequities. This isn’t a podcast offering easy answers; instead, it provides a necessary space to listen, reflect, and engage with the nuanced layers of a deeply entrenched issue. The dialogue here is built on the belief that honest, sometimes difficult talk is a prerequisite for meaningful change, both in our schools and in ourselves.
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