The Truth About Market Timing, Crashes, and Long-Term Investing with Ben Carlson

The Truth About Market Timing, Crashes, and Long-Term Investing with Ben Carlson

Author: Andrew Sather, Stephen Morris, and Evan Raidt June 8, 2026 Duration: 49:31
What’s the secret to investing? According to Ben Carlson (CFA, Ritholtz Wealth Management), the “secret” is that there isn’t one—building wealth is mostly about time, consistency, and letting compounding do the heavy lifting. In this conversation, Ben breaks down why the lottery-ticket approach and constant market timing are usually a losing game, even for smart people. We also dig into how the stock market and the economy don’t always move together, why macro data is hard to use in real time, and what history can teach us about surviving the worst-case scenarios (like the Great Depression). Ben shares a practical way to think about diversification, how to avoid extremes (including the Japan bubble example), and why having rules—an investing “policy statement”—can keep your emotions from wrecking your results. What You Will Learn Why the “secret to investing” is there is no secret—and why that’s good news The hidden trap of market timing: you have to be right twice Why the stock market and the economy can diverge What the Great Depression and Japan’s bubble teach about time horizon & diversification How rules and automation can protect you from emotional decisions Timestamps 00:14 — Ben Carlson, Ritholtz Wealth Management & his book Risk and Reward 00:57 — “What’s the secret to investing?”  02:26 — Market timing temptation 04:01 — “Worst market timer” story: investing at peaks and still compounding over time 05:03 — Cash as a “gateway drug” & the psychological toll of timing 07:15 — The Great Depression: the worst crash and what long-term returns still show 10:10 — Why studying market history matters 14:36 — Stock market vs economy 23:16 — Japan’s bubble & what it teaches about extremes and global diversification 38:15 — Rules, automation, and an “investment policy statement” to manage emotions Resources Mentioned The Value Spotlight Newsletter: ⁠https://einvestingforbeginners.com/value-spotlight-newsletter⁠/ Have questions or want your story featured? Email the show at ⁠newsletter@einvestingforbeginners.com⁠ or comment below. Your feedback shapes the podcast! Remember, invest with a margin of safety—emphasis on the safety. Have a great week, and we’ll talk to you next time. Timestamps are generated by artificial intelligence, and are not 100% accurate depending on the platform used for listening. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Today’s show is sponsored by: Download the Plynk app today to start building your investing confidence. https://plynkinvest.app.link/plynkifb2026 Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SHOPIFY.COM/beginners⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to start selling with Shopify today.⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.shopify.com/beginners⁠⁠⁠⁠  Upgrade your wardrobe with Quince to get high-quality, luxury essentials at a fraction of the cost by visiting ⁠https://quince.com/beginners⁠  Turn your passion into profit, connect directly with eager buyers, and grow your business by hosting live, interactive auctions at ⁠https://whatnot.com/sell⁠  Supercharge your productivity and automate your daily tasks by building custom AI agents in your all-in-one workspace at ⁠https://notion.com/investing⁠ The Perfect Jean makes insanely comfortable, great-fitting jeans you can wear all day—check them out at theperfectjean.nyc. Function Health helps you get ahead of your health with comprehensive lab testing and clear, actionable insights—learn more at functionhealth.com. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in how your company sponsor the show? Reach us at  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠equity@einvestingforbeginners.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SUBSCRIBE TO THE SHOW⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Amazon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tunein Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Navigating the stock market can feel like deciphering a foreign language, but it doesn't have to. The Investing for Beginners Podcast-Your Path to Financial Freedom, hosted by Andrew Sather, Stephen Morris, and Evan Raidt, exists to translate that complexity into clear, actionable understanding. This isn't about get-rich-quick schemes; it's a practical guide built on foundational principles. Each episode breaks down how successful, long-term strategies actually work, focusing on core approaches like value investing and dividend growth investing. You'll also hear how elements of growth investing and trend following can fit into a thoughtful plan. The hosts delve into the psychological side of the market, discussing how to recognize and potentially benefit from the emotional swings that drive prices, rather than being driven by them. Tuning into this podcast provides a structured education in buying stocks with confidence, moving from uncertainty to a place where you can make your own informed decisions. It’s a steady resource for anyone building their financial literacy from the ground up, aiming to turn the intimidating world of investing into a manageable part of their journey toward greater independence.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 50

The Investing for Beginners Podcast - Your Path to Financial Freedom
Podcast Episodes
Path to Confidence: The 3-Step Safety Net Every Investor Needs [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 52:36
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AAR67 - Our Ratio Rulebook - Solid Financial Starting Points [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 56:26
Are you spending too much on your car? Is your rent making you "house poor"? In this episode of At Any Rate, Evan and Andrew ditch the vague financial advice and dive into the exact ratios and percentages you should be a…
Ian Cassel’s Rules for Profitable Small-Cap Investing [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 58:07
Most retail investors assume the biggest market gains belong to high-flying mega-cap tech stocks, but historical data reveals a completely different reality: 87% of all 10x stocks over the past decade started as microcap…
Path to Confidence: Stop Chasing the Market and Pick Your Lane [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:06:57
In Part 1 of the "Path to Confidence" series, Stephen Morris and Andrew Sather tackle a critical lesson for beginner investors: you must know what game you are playing to avoid gambling away your money. The hosts break d…
AAR66 - Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:00:11
In this special game-show episode of At Any Rate, Evan puts Andrew in the hot seat for a 15-question financial trivia challenge. From guessing 2026 401(k) contribution limits and average new car prices to exposing credit…
The First Metric Every Investor Must Check Before Buying [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 48:08
When analyzing a stock for the first time, retail investors often get blinded by stock price charts, flashy marketing, or news headlines. But if you want to know whether a business is actually compounding value, you have…
Is NVIDIA’s High-Margin Machine Sustainable? [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 51:27
NVIDIA is currently pulling off something unprecedented in financial history: posting startup-like revenue growth (+126% in 2024 and +114% in 2025) while sitting at a massive $4 trillion valuation. Mainstream media treat…
AAR65 - Where Are People Wasting Money? [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 54:19
Are you accidentally throwing money down the drain without realizing it? In this episode of At Any Rate, Evan and Andrew break down five sneaky financial missteps that cause people to waste cash—from point-of-sale financ…
How to Get 9% Returns with Half the Market Volatility [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 39:46
Mainstream financial media tells investors that the only way to build long-term wealth is to throw 100% of their money into index funds and hold on for dear life. But when the market crashes and portfolios get cut in hal…
Dissecting Capital One, Netflix, and Wall Street's Favorite Metrics [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 49:47
It’s tempting to fire up a stock screener, sort by top-line revenue growth, and assume you’ve just uncovered a goldmine of breakout stocks. But when a legacy credit card company suddenly posts triple-digit growth, it’s r…