This week in The Labia Lounge I had the pleasure of talking to a total #dreamteam of a couple, Charley and Shelley Wininger, about their experiences with MDMA.
(Not the usual sort of topic for this podcast but it's definitely in line with my MO of smashing stigma and taboo, educating on some lesser known topics where accurate and empowering information has been suppressed, and providing the latest in personal development and self growth! So when you look at it like that, it's actually very on brand for me!)
Charley - a psychotherapist and mental health counselor - and Shelley - a retired critical care nurse - are in their 70s and have been using MDMA and other psychedelics, as well as cannabis, for the past 25 years to enhance their lives, relationships and self growth.
The two of them are long-term members of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, which funds research into the use of MDMA for treating PTSD, social anxiety and other ailments, and they've been instrumental in building the local MAPS community in New York.
I got stuck into some great conversations with them about how they use MDMA safely and responsibly themselves several times a year, even well into their seventies! We chat about how it's transformed their lives, enhanced their relationship and brought them closer to one another and themselves with every use. Shelley shares about how she's been able to increase her libido and become multi-orgasmic post menopause, and what a hugely positive influence being part of a community of psychonauts has had on their world. We also go into the potential risk factors and what the modern research is saying in regards to the use of pure MDMA.
These two are so filled with joy, playfulness and experience when it comes to using these substances as medicine, and Charley's book, Listening to Ecstasy, is well worth a read as it's not only a beautifully written memoir about their relationship and lives, but a thorough and essential resource for anyone wanting to experience MDMA themselves.
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