Mo Gawdat on Power, Money, Morality: The Collapse of Capitalism & The Military-Industrial Complex

Mo Gawdat on Power, Money, Morality: The Collapse of Capitalism & The Military-Industrial Complex

Author: Mo Islam November 6, 2025 Duration: 2:28:26

From IBM and Microsoft to serving as Chief Business Officer at Google X, Mo Gawdat has spent over three decades at the forefront of technology and innovation. Today, the bestselling author turns his engineer’s mind toward life’s biggest question: how can we live well and meaningfully in an age defined by artificial intelligence?

This monumental 2.5 hour episode, which Mo Islam called “the best I’ve ever shot”, is a journey through life, loss, and the future of humanity.Mo Gawdat opens up about his late son Ali and the lessons that inspired ‘Solve for Happy’, before diving into the decade of disruption ahead: from the rise of AI and autonomous weapons to universal basic income and the impending economic reset.

Together, the two Mo’s explore why Arabs are so misunderstood in the West, how ethical AI must be grounded in love and empathy, and how the Middle East can lead the next wave of innovation.

They challenge the failures of modern education, the grip of the military-industrial complex, and even the mysteries of the space-time continuum, all while searching for meaning in what Mo calls the “legendary level” of modern life.

A very big thanks to Merwas Studios in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia for inviting us to shoot in their WORLD CLASS Studios!

00:00 Intro

03:18 IBM, Microsoft Google X

05:07 Losing Ali: The Moment Everything Changed

09:27 Writing Solve for Happy

11:41 Leaving Google Launching “1 Billion Happy”

13:35 Living with Loss

17:05 Fate, Life the Interconnectedness of Everything

23:04 Death as the Opposite of Birth

26:02 The Video Game of Life

31:23 Ali’s Death Mo’s Purpose

34:53 Redefining Success: Impact over Ego

38:54 Learning, Curiosity Creation

44:08 Solitude Silent Retreats

49:01 Meditation Practices

55:13 Mindfulness in Daily Life

57:06 The Loneliness Epidemic

1:01:02 East vs. West: Community vs. Individualism

1:05:10 Surveillance, Privacy the Illusion of Security

1:08:11 Raising Children in a Broken World

1:11:03 The Collapse of Capitalism the Rise of AI

1:21:16 China vs. The West

1:24:06 The Illusion of Stock Markets Institutional Control

1:30:03 War Economics: How Weapons Drive Profit

1:35:19 Humanity’s Awakening Questioning the System

1:41:08 Reclaiming the Arab Narrative

1:47:27 Building Ethical AI

1:52:18 Entrepreneurship, Self-Reliance Believing in the Region

2:00:03 Education is Broken

2:07:03 Business vs. Capitalism: Purpose Over Profit

2:10:00 Reclaiming Global Perception

2:17:13 Governance, Fairness Leadership in the Arab World

2:22:06 Living in Uncertain Times

2:25:17 The Ultimate Video Game of Life

2:26:57 Closing Reflections


Hosted by Mo Islam, The Mo Show is a conversation held in English, rooted in the daily rhythms and broader narratives of life in Saudi Arabia. This podcast moves beyond headlines to explore the textures of local society and the diverse cultural currents shaping the region. Each episode feels like pulling up a chair for a candid discussion, where personal stories and thoughtful observations reveal the complexities and warmth of a community in flux. You’ll hear from a variety of voices-locals and long-term residents, artists and entrepreneurs, everyday people with compelling perspectives-all contributing to a richer, more nuanced picture. The conversations are unscripted and meandering in the best way, often uncovering unexpected connections between tradition and modernity, or between individual dreams and collective identity. Tuning into this podcast offers a genuine sense of place, a listening experience that feels both intimate and expansive. It’s for anyone curious about the human stories behind the social and cultural evolution within the Kingdom, presented not as a lecture but as an ongoing, engaging dialogue.
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