153: Returning to the Wasteland with Jan Willem Nijman, Joonas Turner, and Jukio Kallio (Nuclear Throne)

153: Returning to the Wasteland with Jan Willem Nijman, Joonas Turner, and Jukio Kallio (Nuclear Throne)

Author: The Secret Lives of Games March 6, 2026 Duration: 1:52:34

Rob and Zach chat with Joonas Turner (Downwell, Noita, Cult of the Lamb), Jukio Kallio (Fall Guys, Minit, Dave the Diver), and Jan Willem "JW" Nijman (Super Crate Box, Ridiculous Fishing, Minit) about their landmark twin-stick wasteland shooter, Nuclear Throne, and its recent blowout 10th anniversary update. They discuss reopening a project after a decade, balancing through play, the decision to not implement traditional invincibility frames, the shifting culture of what makes a design "engaging," and more!

Audio edited by Dylan Shumway

Discussed in this episode:

Nuclear Throne
https://nuclearthrone.com/

Controls You Can Feel: Putting Tactility Back Into Touch Controls
https://youtu.be/OIOitNx9RHI?si=vcV3GCcsiy1W4Efr

Spelunky
https://www.spelunkyworld.com/ 

Shoot First
https://www.indiedb.com/games/shoot-first

Crimsonland
https://www.crimsonland.com/

Downwell
https://downwellgame.com/ 

Tormentor x Punisher
https://tormentorxpunisher.com/

PAPERHEAD
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2680280/PAPERHEAD/ 

Jukio's Bandcamp
https://jukiokallio.bandcamp.com/

 

https://secretlives.games 

https://discord.gg/tslog

https://www.patreon.com/tslog


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