Ep. 329 - Security Awareness Series - Mistakes, AI and Empathy: Being a Powerful Leader with Michelle Li

Ep. 329 - Security Awareness Series - Mistakes, AI and Empathy: Being a Powerful Leader with Michelle Li

Author: Social-Engineer, LLC November 17, 2025 Duration: 39:54

Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Michelle Li. Chris and Michelle delve into the transformative role of AI in social engineering, highlighting both its potential and pitfalls. Their conversation emphasizes the critical need for empathy in leadership and the importance of maintaining human-centric processes in an increasingly automated world. [Nov 17, 2025]

 

00:00 - Intro

00:27 - Intro Links:

-          Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

-          Offensive Security Vishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/vishing/

-          Offensive Security SMiShing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

-          Offensive Security Phishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

-          Call Back Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/call-back-phishing/

-          Adversarial Simulation Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/adversarial-simulation/

-          Social Engineering Risk Assessments - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/social-engineering-risk-assessment/

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

-          CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

-          innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/                                                

02:34 - Michelle Li Intro

03:14 - A Roundabout Journey

05:40 - The Importance of Legacy

07:26 - Using AI Honorably

10:00 - The Effects of AI on Social Engineering

11:52 - AI for Protection

13:47 - Still About the Human Role

14:49 - Masterclass Ad

16:27 - Origins of FASE

20:01 - Reflection of Self

25:52 - The Role of Core Principles

30:15 - New Kid in Town

34:08 - Find Michelle Li Online

-          LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-li-mba-ssbb-0850b975/

-          Website: https://www.bisblox.com/

34:47 - Book Recommendations

-          Blink - Malcolm Gladwell

-          The Book of Forgiving - Desmond Tutu

36:11 - Mentors

38:52 - Wrap Up & Outro

-          www.social-engineer.com

-          www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


At its core, The Social-Engineer Podcast examines the most complex system in any security equation: people. Hosted by the team at Social-Engineer, LLC, this series digs into the psychology, communication patterns, and inherent vulnerabilities that shape human interaction. Each episode moves beyond dry technical analysis to explore real-world stories and expert conversations that reveal how social engineers operate-the subtle cues, the persuasive language, and the manipulation of trust that can lead to a security breach. You’ll hear discussions that sit at the fascinating intersection of behavioral science and modern technology, dissecting everything from phishing attempts and pretexting to the non-verbal tells that can give us away. This isn't just about warning against threats; it's a deep dive into understanding why we make the decisions we do, both online and off. By unpacking the mechanics of influence and connection, the podcast provides listeners with a clearer lens to see their own daily interactions, ultimately fostering a more critical and aware mindset. Tune in for a thought-provoking blend of research and practical insight that makes the art of human hacking both comprehensible and compelling.
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