Making the most of the founder/investor dynamic (w/ Liz Zalman, author of 'Founder vs Investor')

Making the most of the founder/investor dynamic (w/ Liz Zalman, author of 'Founder vs Investor')

Author: Yaniv Bernstein and Chris Saad February 23, 2026 Duration: 57:41

Founders and investors like to tell themselves they're on the same team, and they can be – but it takes work.


In this episode, Yaniv Bernstein sits down with Liz Zalman, a veteran founder with over 20 years of startup experience, for an in-depth chat about the real dynamics of the founder-investor relationship. Liz is also co-author (alongside VC Jerry Neumann) of 'Founder Vs Investor: The Honest Truth About Venture Capital from Startup to IPO’, one of Yaniv's favorite books on startups.


From re-vesting demands to acquisition offers that investors won't approve, Liz brings hard-won, unfiltered perspective to some of the most uncomfortable moments a founder will face.


In this episode, you will:

  • Understand what re-vesting actually is, and the smartest way to respond when investors ask for it.
  • Learn why taking a single dollar of venture capital puts you on a specific, irreversible path.
  • Discover how to negotiate a term sheet from a position of strength, even when you're exhausted and desperate to close.
  • Find out when and how founders can take money off the table – and why most quality investors support founders to have stability in their personal finances.
  • Learn how Liz stress-tests potential investors while negotiating terms.
  • Understand the real difference between valuation and control.
  • Hear why listening is the single most underrated skill in a founder's toolkit.


Resources mentioned in this episode

  • Founder vs. Investor (book) by Elizabeth Zalman & Jerry Neumann, the book discussed throughout this episode: https://www.foundervsinvestor.com
  • Venture Deals by Brad Feld & Jason Mendelson, referenced by Yaniv as "the bible of venture capital": https://www.venturedeals.com
  • Sandgarden, Liz's current startup: https://www.sandgarden.com
  • Liz Zalman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethzalman


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