Moving From Formative Assessment To Action

Moving From Formative Assessment To Action

Author: ThoughtStretchers Education March 27, 2026 Duration: 1:12:37

Drew Perkins talks with Valentina Devid  to explore why the term "formative assessment" often fails in practice and how shifting the focus to Formative Action can lead to more sustainable, durable learning. Valentina shares her journey from a history teacher seeking "intellectual nourishment" to a professional development expert specializing in evidence-informed instructional coaching.

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The conversation highlights a critical "lethal mutation" in education: teachers becoming too tool-focused (e.g., using mini-whiteboards) without a clear pedagogical goal. Valentina introduces her company's Five-Step Short Loop Model—Orientate, Generate, Evaluate, Act, and Verify—designed to help teachers make intentional, real-time decisions based on student thinking.

A major focus of the discussion is the Verify (Mirror Question) step, which Valentina describes as a "humbling experience" that ensures the teacher's corrective action actually worked before moving on. Drew and Valentina also tackle the challenge of sustainability in professional development, discussing how to support school leaders in making informed, durable implementation plans rather than relying on one-off keynotes.

Finally, they explore the intersection of Inquiry-Based Learning and cognitive science, breaking down the "false dichotomy" between explicit instruction and student-led questioning. Valentina argues that while retrieval practice is essential for fluency, inquiry is a vital tool for sense-making and creating the retrieval cues necessary for long-term, durable knowledge.

Timestamped Episode Timeline

  • [00:09:24] Valentina's Journey – From a "question-filled" history teacher to seeking rigor in teacher preparation.
  • [00:13:49] Sustainable School Change – The mission of her PD company to move beyond one-off training days.
  • [00:19:39] Assessment vs. Action – Why rebranding to "Formative Action" helps teachers focus on pedagogy rather than just tools.
  • [00:31:22] The Five-Step Short Loop Model – A walkthrough of the Orientate, Generate, Evaluate, Act, and Verify process.
  • [00:38:08] The Power of the "Verify" Step – Closing the loop with mirror questions to ensure learning stuck.
  • [00:44:48] The Three Strategies – Integrating the Short Loop, Sense for Quality (modeling), and Feedback Processes.
  • [00:57:21] Training Teacher Perception – How to use "Pedagogical Road Maps" to anticipate student pitfalls.
  • [01:00:34] The Implementation Gap – Why teachers sometimes grasp concepts but struggle with classroom techniques.
  • [01:03:45] Inquiry as a Formative Tool – Using Project Zero Thinking Routines to make thinking visible for action.
  • [01:12:14] Defining Durable Learning – Ensuring knowledge remains in long-term memory through intentional curriculum design.
  • [01:18:00] The Craft of Teaching – Discerning when to provide less guidance to maximize "hard thinking".

Hosted by ThoughtStretchers Education, The ThoughtStretchers Podcast is built on the belief that the best teaching emerges from genuine dialogue and challenging questions. This isn't about quick tips or superficial trends. Instead, each episode engages in the kind of dialectic conversations that push beyond comfortable assumptions, examining the foundational ideas and complex issues that shape modern learning environments. You'll hear deep, often meandering discussions that probe the "why" behind educational practices, fostering a space for intellectual rigor rarely found in typical professional development. Tuning into this podcast feels like sitting in on a thoughtful, sometimes provocative, roundtable where curiosity is the primary curriculum. It’s for educators who find energy in debate and refinement of thought, who believe that strengthening their own intellectual framework is the first step toward nurturing it in others. The dialogue here is designed to stretch your perspective on pedagogy, curriculum, and the very purpose of education, making it a sustained exercise in professional growth. If you’re looking to engage with education on a more philosophical and principled level, these conversations offer a compelling and substantive resource.
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