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20VC: Are OpenAI and Anthropic Overvalued? The Open-Source AI Reality | How Token Costs Will Fall 10x And Usage Will Explode 100x | The Future Is Not One AGI; It's Millions of Specialised Models with Lin Qiao, Founder and CEO @ Fireworks

20VC: Are OpenAI and Anthropic Overvalued? The Open-Source AI Reality | How Token Costs Will Fall 10x And Usage Will Explode 100x | The Future Is Not One AGI; It's Millions of Specialised Models with Lin Qiao, Founder and CEO @ Fireworks

Author: Harry Stebbings July 20, 2026 Duration: 1:17:07
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
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Lin Qiao is the Co-Founder and CEO of Fireworks AI, the leading specialized intelligence and AI inference platform that last week raised $1.5BN at a whopping $17BN valuation. With just 200 people, the company has hit $1BN in ARR and expects to hit $2BN before the end of the year. Prior to Fireworks, Lin spent several years at Meta including on the founding team of PyTorch. 

AGENDA:

00:07 — Why Did Fireworks Bet on Inference When Everyone Else Was Chasing Training?

00:13 — Can Open-Source Models Turn AI Infrastructure into a Commodity?

00:19 — Should Enterprises Trust Chinese Open Models With Their Most Sensitive Data?

00:25 — Will Model Progress Keep Moving This Fast—or Are We Nearing a Plateau?

00:28 — Will the Multi-Model World Create a $100BN Routing Layer?

00:37 — How Much Will AI Token Usage Explode Over the Next Two Years?

00:43 — Will Token Costs Fall 10x—and Unleash 100x More Demand?

00:49 — Does Fireworks Eventually Have to Build Its Own Data Centres?

01:02 — What Is the Real Bottleneck Holding Back the AI Economy?

 


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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
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Duration: 1:15:36
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Duration: 1:02:34
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