Ep508: Forming The Germs - Chris Ashford of What Records

Ep508: Forming The Germs - Chris Ashford of What Records

Author: The Vinyl Guide July 22, 2025 Duration: 52:37

Chris Ashford of What Records? discusses releasing the first LA punk single "Forming" by the Germs, rarities, tapes, memories of Darby Crash and early punk scene stories.

Topics Include:

  • Chris Ashford founded What Records? and knew Germs members George (Pat Smear) and Paul (Darby Crash)
  • He worked in record stores through high school and was fascinated by record labels
  • Chris decided to start a label while his friends formed the Germs band
  • He had no formal education about making records, learned from Richard Fuse at Rhino
  • "Forming" was recorded in a garage with two-track deck and two microphones
  • The single had multiple takes but most were erased years ago
  • B-side used cassette recording from Germs' Cheech & Chong "Up in Smoke" audition
  • Master tape for "Forming" is missing, possibly in Canada, but Chris owns rights
  • Cheech & Chong footage shows Germs performing "Sexboy" - same version as B-side
  • They kept the cassette source secret initially to avoid potential lawsuits
  • Lou Adler excluded Germs from movie because audiences wouldn't believe they were real
  • Chris missed the "Up in Smoke" taping because he had to work his day job
  • He financed all What Records releases including "Forming" himself
  • Black rectangle on sleeve was intentionally ambiguous, meant as tongue-in-cheek band photo
  • Address on record was Chris's parents' house where he lived
  • He quickly moved to P.O. Box and removed address to protect his mother
  • First pressing had wrong labels on wrong sides due to Monarch pressing plant error
  • About 1,000 copies were made, most of original pressing was destroyed
  • 600-700 defective records were thrown down hill as frisbees for fun
  • None of them expected anything significant to happen with the record
  • "Forming" was technically the first independent DIY punk single from Los Angeles
  • The record served as legitimizing calling card for the Germs
  • Darby Crash was gifted lyricist despite his troubled background and demons
  • Chris received Germs burn from Michelle Ghaffari at the Whiskey without warning
  • Germs burns became insider thing in summer 1977, wider trend came later
  • Darby never fully matured, died at 22 before becoming complete person
  • Germs often performed as chaotic train wreck, unlike disciplined bands like Stooges
  • Darby had difficult childhood and family problems that created his demons
  • David Bowie was Darby's favorite outlet, influenced his dreamy/nihilistic worldview
  • Chris saw potential for Darby to become writer beyond just being lyricist

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