WOF 543: Christian Charity vs. "Suicidal Empathy"

WOF 543: Christian Charity vs. "Suicidal Empathy"

Author: Bishop Robert Barron August 31, 2026 Duration: 37:08

Welcome back to the Word on Fire Show. I'm Matthew Petrusek, senior director of the Word on Fire Institute and the host of the Word on Fire Show. Thank you for joining us. The evolutionary behavioral scientist and public intellectual Gad Saad recently published an influential book entitled Suicidal Empathy: Dying to Be Kind. In it, Saad argues that much of the West has, unfortunately, come to embrace a perversely deficient understanding of empathy, twisting the natural and otherwise noble human capacity to feel and respond to other peoples' sufferings into a moral license to upend the moral, economic, and political order. According to the dictates of suicidal empathy, for example, society should prioritize criminals over victims, illegal immigrants over citizens, lawbreakers over law abiders, racial identity over competence, adult sexual expression over childhood innocence, and trans women––that is, men pretending to be women––over real women. Suicidal empathy's endgame, Saad warns, is nothing less than societal ruin and the eventual totalitarian eclipse of the individual. How, from a Catholic perspective, should we assess these claims? Is Saad's characterization of suicidal empathy and its dangers accurate? If so, how should we, as Christians, constructively respond? What role, in particular, should the biblical conception of love play in defining what it means to show true compassion and care for those in need? Here to discuss Saad's book and to explain how authentic Christian charity is—and is not—related to empathy, is Bishop Robert Barron.

Topics Covered

00:00 | Introduction
01:40 | Bishop Barron interviews JD Vance
02:45 | How Saad defines "empathy"
04:45 | Saad's argument on the exaggeration of empathy
06:31 | Exploring the concept of "forbidden knowledge"
09:30 | "It will destroy the West"?
11:05 | Connecting wokeism and self-destructive empathy
12:33 | Can we square wokeism's moralizing mandates with its amoral claims?
13:40 | Tracing the movement's origins
16:27 | Mistaking empathy for love
22:01 | Recognizing the fallenness of our emotional lives
27:39 | Does love equate to niceness and kindness?
28:50 | What about "love thy neighbor"?
30:42 | Distinguishing a proper preference for the poor from its unhealthy overemphasis
32:46 | Addressing the Christian impulse beneath the wokeist trappings
34:42 | Listener question: Where was God before time?
36:33 | Join the Word on Fire Institute

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