One Genius Rule That Made This Coffee Brand Famous | EP 2262

One Genius Rule That Made This Coffee Brand Famous | EP 2262

Author: Jason Calacanis March 14, 2026 Duration: 1:30:27

Legendary British ad man Rory Sutherland invented a fake business on a podcast, a coffee shop appealing to the busy commuter called “Flat White or F**k Off.”

But it’s one thing to have a post go big on TikTok or Instagram… but to turn that viral moment into an actual COMPANY is a very different challenge.

On TWiST, Jason and Lon chat with Charlie Hurst, Tom Noble, and Will Sudlow, founders of the online brand “Flat White or F**k Off,” about how they took a funny little slogan and turned it into a string of popular social media accounts, a line of merch, a pop-up café, and let’s face it, an entire lifestyle.

PLUS we’ve got Mog and Dubs from Subnet 75 — Hippius! Hear how they’re using the blockchain for decentralized storage, and providing server space much cheaper than their famous hyperscaler rivals.

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00:00:00 Intro

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00:03:22 What is "decentralized cloud storage"?

00:05:42 How Hippius came together

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00:11:38 Incentivizing miners

00:14:25 How many people are contributing?

00:18:42 But where does the value accrue?

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00:35:53 The best places to eat in Dubai

00:38:06 The inspo behind "Flat White or F Off"

00:42:16 From social media to IRL business

00:53:06 The secrets of experiential marketing

00:57:28 Hospitality's "Rule of 3s"

00:59:33 Inside the Flat White London pop-up

01:13:11 Lon and Jason's Oscar picks

01:26:06 Lon went "Inside the Manosphere"

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Every week, Jason Calacanis dives headfirst into the swirling vortex of Silicon Valley and global tech with This Week in Startups. It’s a direct line to the conversations shaping our digital future, moving far beyond surface-level news. You’ll hear Jason’s unfiltered analysis on everything from market shifts and media trends to the underlying mechanics of building a business, all delivered with a blend of enthusiasm and seasoned skepticism. The core of this podcast, however, lies in the guests. Jason sits down with the very people driving change-founders who have scaled impossible heights, operators managing daily chaos, and investors who spot trends before they become obvious. These conversations are less like formal interviews and more like insider debriefs, pulling back the curtain on real strategies, painful failures, and unexpected successes. For anyone curious about how technology is built, funded, and ultimately changes the world, this series offers a front-row seat. It’s the context behind the headlines, providing a deeper understanding of the forces at play in startups and technology. Tune in for a consistently engaging and insightful look at the ecosystem, straight from someone who lives and breathes it.
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