Episode 194: Animal Songs, with Meredith Michael

Episode 194: Animal Songs, with Meredith Michael

Author: SpectreVision Radio July 23, 2025 Duration: 1:23:02
In this episode, Phil and JF are joined by Meredith Michael—musicologist, podcaster, and Weird Studies production assistant—for a conversation about animal songs. The phrase is intentionally slippery. Are we talking about songs about animals, or songs by animals? Both, as it turns out. Beginning with three very different human compositions—The Beatles’ “Everybody’s Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey,” Hovhaness’s And God Created the Great Whales, and Björk’s “Human Behavior”—the hosts discuss the roles animals play in human music, mythology, and mind. Along the way, they touch on Pink Floyd, the Beatles' trip to India, heroin addiction, the indeterminacy of singing and screaming, the messiness of inter-species communication, the discovery of whale song, the problem of (not) projecting humanness onto animals, the Book of Genesis, and the porous boundary between the human and non-human worlds. All that (and more) for two of the songs! Phil’s pick will be explored in a forthcoming episode. Meredith Michael is a PhD candidate in Musicology at the Indiana University Jacobs School of Music. She is working on a dissertation about musical mythologies of outer space in the twentieth century. In her spare time she loves making art of all kinds, going for long walks, making friends with cats, and watching cartoons. Meredith hosts the Cosmophonia podcast with Gabriel Lubell. References Victor Shklovsky, “Art as Technique” Pink Floyd, Animals Neko Case, "People Got a Lotta Nerve" The Beatles, "Everybody’s Got Something to Hide Except for Me and my Monkey" Gavin Steingo, Interspecies Communication: Sound and Music beyond Humanity Little Richard, "Long Tall Sally"   Alan Hovhaness, And God Created Great Whales Roger Payne, Songs of the Humpback Whale Deleuze and Guattari, A Thousand Plateaus Olivier Messiaen, Quartet for the End of Time Weird Studies, Episode 181 on “The X Files” Kate Altizer, Piano Dogs and Whale Theaters: Paranoid Relations and Affect with Nowhere to Go in the Study of Nonhuman Animals and Music  David Rothenberg, Thousand Mile Songs Frans de Waal, Mama’s Last Hug King James Bible  Herman Melville, Moby Dick Leonard Nimoy (dir.), Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home RILM Abstracts of Music Literature George Crumb, Vox Balaenae   Terrence Malick (dir.), The Tree of Life Image by Navin75, via Wikimedia Commons Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

At the heart of Weird Studies, a podcast from SpectreVision Radio, you’ll find long-form conversations between Professor Phil Ford and writer J. F. Martel. Their discussions aren’t simple reviews or straightforward analyses; instead, they wander through the tangled undergrowth where art and philosophy meet, giving generous time to concepts that resist easy understanding and to creative works that fracture our ordinary sense of the world. This podcast deliberately lingers in that ambiguous space, treating the “weird” not as a genre but as a particular mode of experience-one that reveals the cracks in what we comfortably assume is real. Each episode feels like joining a deep, meandering dialogue between two friends who are both deeply knowledgeable and endlessly curious, covering a vast terrain that includes literature, film, music, and esoteric thought. It’s a show for anyone who suspects that the most profound truths are often found in the shadows, the anomalies, and the strangely beautiful. As part of the SpectreVision Radio network, which specializes in content that explores the uncanny edges of creativity, Weird Studies builds a unique community of listeners who are eager to think differently. You won’t find pat answers here, but you will encounter compelling questions and a shared sense of exploration that makes each installment a distinctive journey.
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Episode 27: Weird Music, Part One [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:18:32
In this first of two episodes devoted to the music of the weird, Phil and JF discuss two works that have bowled them over: the second movement of Ligeti's Musica Ricercata, used to powerful effect in Stanley Kubrick's Ey…
Episode 26: Living in a Glass Age, with Michael Garfield [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:19:17
Stone, bronze, iron... glass? In his recent thought and writing, transdisciplinary artist and thinker Michael Garfield defines modernity as an age of glass, arguing that the entire ethos of our era inheres in the transfo…
Episode 25: David Cronenberg's 'Naked Lunch' [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:20:36
JF and Phil head for Interzone in an attempt to solve the enigma of Naked Lunch, David Cronenberg's 1991 screen adaptation of William S. Burroughs' infamous 1959 novel. A treatise on addiction, a diagnosis of modern ills…
Episode 24: The Charlatan and the Magus, with Lionel Snell [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 58:53
As Lionel Snell, also known as Ramsey Dukes, observes in his seminal esoteric essay, "The Charlatan and the Magus" (1984), the series of trumps in a tarot deck doesn't begin with the noble Emperor or august Hierophant, b…
Episode 23: On Presence [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:43:49
Phil stops by JF's Canadian homestead for a raucous IRL conversation on the idea of presence. The range of topics includes objects of power, the magic of books, the mystery of the event, modernity's knack for making myth…
Episode 22: Divining the World with Joshua Ramey [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:09:37
American philosopher Joshua Ramey, author of The Hermetic Deleuze: Philosophy and the Spiritual Ordeal, and Politics of Divination: Neoliberal Endgame and the Religion of Contingency, joins Phil and JF to discuss a philo…
Episode 21: The Trash Stratum - Part 2 [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:06:11
The writings of underground filmmaker Jack Smith serve as a starting point for Phil and JF's second tour of the trash stratum. In their wanderings, they will uncover such moldy jewels as the 1944 film Cobra Woman, the ex…
Episode 20: The Trash Stratum - Part 1 [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:15:42
Is the Holy Grail a crushed beer can in the gutter? JF and Phil consider the implications of Philip K. Dick's line, "the symbols of the divine initially show up at the trash stratum." Gnosticism, Aleister Crowley's Thoth…
Episode 19: Intermezzo [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:09:28
After announcing that Weird Studies will be going to a bi-weekly release schedule for the summer, Phil and JF talk about how the podcast has gone so far and what's on the horizon (more guests!). Before long, they're digg…
Episode 18: Does 'Consciousness' Exist? - Part Two [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:01:31
JF and Phil finally get down to brass tacks with William James's essay "Does Consciousness Exist?" At the heart of this essay is the concept of what James calls "pure experience," the basic stuff of everything, only it i…