20.14: Third Person Limited

20.14: Third Person Limited

Author: Mary Robinette Kowal, DongWon Song, Erin Roberts, Dan Wells, and Howard Tayler April 6, 2025 Duration: 26:35
Third person limited is one of the most popular storytelling lenses. Yet it is often understood differently by various authors and readers. So today we’re diving into the complexities, intricacies, and beautiful constraints of third person limited—don’t worry, we’ll be tackling third person omniscient in our next episode! With third person limited POV, you get to use some of the tools of first person, while being able to back away from the character a little. We’re going to address the various levels of interiority and proximity that characters are afforded, why this matters, and what it would look like in your own writing. Homework: Take a scene that you’ve written and write it in the closest third person limited that you can possibly stand. Then, write it again at a slightly more distanced, but still limited, third person. Look at these two scenes side-by-side and ask yourself: what did I do differently in each? What did I emphasize? Then, figure out which perspective you want to use when actually writing this scene. P.S. Our Writing Excuses cruise is over 50% sold out! Secure your spot today at www.writingexcuses.com/retreats Sign up for our newsletter Credits: Your hosts for this episode were DongWon Song, Mary Robinette Kowal, Dan Wells, Howard Tayler, and Erin Roberts. Our guest was Chuck Tingle. It was produced by Emma Reynolds, recorded by Marshall Carr, Jr., and mastered by Alex Jackson. Join Our Writing Community! Patreon Instagram Threads Bluesky TikTok YouTube Facebook Our Sponsors: * Check out HomeServe and use my code homeserve.com/excuses for a great deal: https://www.homeserve.com * Check out Talkiatry and use my code Talkiatry.com/WX for a great deal: https://www.talkiatry.com Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/writing-excuses2130/donations Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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12.20: Retrofitting Structure into a First Draft [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 21:25
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12.19: Structure on the Fly [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 19:31
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12.18: Gendered Dialect, with J.R. Johansson [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 19:03
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12.17: Q&A on Style, Diction, and Paragraphing [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 23:13
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12.16: Writing Crime Fiction with Brian Keene [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 19:59
Brian Keene joined Dan and Howard at the World Horror Convention to talk about writing crime fiction, including how he goes about getting readers to feel the things he wants them to feel to drive the story forward. Liner…
12.15: Pacing With Chapters [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 21:26
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12.14: Controlling Pacing with Structure [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 20:27
Your Hosts: Brandon, Mary, Dan, and Howard Let's talk about the structural tools we use to control pacing. These include sentence length and punctuation. Also, white-space. Liner note: Here is the Feb 12, 2017 Schlock Me…
12.13: Beautiful Prose, Purple Prose [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 22:35
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12.12: Words as Words, with Linda Addison [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 21:09
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12.11: Diction [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 19:59
Your Hosts: Brandon, Mary, Mary Anne, and Wesley Let's talk about word choice. And when we say "let's" we mean "we're going to talk to you about it. You don't actually get to talk back." So maybe "let's" wasn't the best…