20.36: Deep Dive into “All the Birds in the Sky” - Using the Lens of When

20.36: Deep Dive into “All the Birds in the Sky” - Using the Lens of When

Author: Mary Robinette Kowal, DongWon Song, Erin Roberts, Dan Wells, and Howard Tayler September 7, 2025 Duration: 25:37
If you still want to read All the Birds in the Sky by Charlie Jane Anders, you can purchase it here! We are looking today at the lens of when. But we’re not going to look at time periods—instead, we’re going to examine flashbacks and foreshadowing. “All the Birds in the Sky” takes place in four distinct times. For instance, one of the characters foreshadows a grim future for the children we’ve just met. This big jump forward colors the way that we see the kids, through both stakes and tension. And this begs the question, how do “future whens” affect your reading experience? Homework: Pick a scene in your current project and think about two moments: one moment in the past of this scene, and one that is in the future (both of these moments should still resonant with this scene in some way). Then, write two different versions of the scene: one in which the past weighs heavily on it, and one in which the foreshadowing of the future weighs heavily on it. Then, see what the difference is. P.S. Want to come write with us in September 2025 (we know that’s soon)?! Our retreat registration is open, and we are starting to fill up! We are going to unlock our creative processes in Minnesota and explore Story Refinement as we cruise down the Mexican Riviera! Learn more here. Credits: Your hosts for this episode were Mary Robinette Kowal, DongWon Song, Dan Wells, Erin Roberts, and Howard Tayler. It was produced by Emma Reynolds, recorded by Marshall Carr, Jr., and mastered by Alex Jackson. Join Our Writing Community! Writing Retreats Newsletter Patreon Instagram Threads Bluesky TikTok YouTube Facebook Our Sponsors: * Check out MasterClass: https://masterclass.com/excuses * Check out Quince: https://quince.com/wx * Check out Talkiatry: https://talkiatry.com/wx * If you’re struggling with OCD or unrelenting intrusive thoughts, NOCD can help. Book a free 15 minute call to get started: https://learn.nocd.com/wx Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/writing-excuses2130/donations Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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19.47: Final Thoughts on Our Close Reading Series [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 25:37
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19.46: An Interview on Structure with N.K. Jemisin [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 51:00
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19.45: A Close Reading on Structure: Tying It All Together [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 22:21
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19.44: A Close Reading on Structure: Tradition and Innovation [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 26:12
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19.43: A Close Reading on Structure: Parallelism and Inversion [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 23:27
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19.42: A Close Reading on Structure: Whose Perspective is it Anyways? [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 21:56
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