20.38: An Interview with Charlie Jane Anders

20.38: An Interview with Charlie Jane Anders

Author: Mary Robinette Kowal, DongWon Song, Erin Roberts, Dan Wells, and Howard Tayler September 21, 2025 Duration: 35:03
We had the absolute joy of sitting down with Charlie Jane Anders, the author of the book we’ve focused on for our last four episodes (All the Birds in the Sky). We talked with Anders about POV, tone, and how she played around with humor —partly by occasionally using an omniscient POV! Anders also explained how to incorporate humor and whimsy, and what it feels like to take risks as an author in today’s literary landscape. Thing of the Week: Lessons in Magic and Disaster by Charlie Jane Anders Homework from Charlie Jane Anders: Take a scene you’ve already written and add five or six narrative asides that are providing information that the characters in the scene couldn’t possibly know. Ads: If you’re interested in the Whodunit Murder Mystery cruise (which you heard a teaser for at the start of this episode)—you can visit whodunitcruises.com to learn more! The next cruise is February 6th, 2026 and leaves from Los Angeles! For 20% off Scrivener, you can the code “EXCUSES” for at www.literatureandlatte.com. Credits: Your hosts for this episode were Mary Robinette Kowal and DongWon Song. Our guest was Charlie Jane Anders. It was produced by Emma Reynolds, recorded by Marshall Carr, Jr., and mastered by Alex Jackson. Join Our Writing Community! Writing Retreats Newsletter Patreon Instagram Threads Bluesky TikTok YouTube Facebook Our Sponsors: * Check out HomeServe and use my code homeserve.com/excuses for a great deal: https://www.homeserve.com * Check out Talkiatry and use my code Talkiatry.com/WX for a great deal: https://www.talkiatry.com Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/writing-excuses2130/donations Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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12.10: Developing Your Own, Personal Style [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 19:14
Your Hosts: Brandon, Mary, Dan, and Howard We're not talking about character voice here. We're talking about your voice as a writer, your authorial style, and the aesthetics you employ, and how this is an expression uniq…
12.9: Q&A on Viewpoint [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 25:04
Your Hosts: Brandon, Piper, Dan, and Howard You had questions about viewpoint. Here they are! * Do you have tips and tricks for making 3rd-person omniscient compelling? * How do you make 3rd-person limited compelling? *…
12.8 Short Stories as Exploration, with Tananarive Due [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 14:27
Your Hosts: Brandon, Mary, Dan, and Howard Tananrive Due, whose short-fiction expertise is exemplified in her collection, Ghost Summer, joined us on the Oasis of the Seas to talk about how to use short stories to explore…
12.7: Description Through the Third Person Lens [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 20:29
Your Hosts: Brandon, Mary, Mary Anne, and Wesley The third-person POV lens can be used for simultaneously describing the world to the reader and describing the character. In this episode we'll talk about where we deploy…
12.6: Variations on Third Person [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 19:15
Your Hosts: Brandon, Mary, Dan, and Howard This episode focuses on the third person POV, and some variations on them, like omniscient and limited, and some sub-variants like cinematic and head-hopping. Credits: This epis…
12.5: Literary Fiction [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 20:20
Your Hosts: Brandon, Mary, Mary Anne, and Wesley This week we talk about the genre of Literary Fiction. Our first hurdle is the word "literary" whose use in this context can imply that all other genres are somehow not li…
12.4: Hybrid Viewpoints [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 19:12
Your Hosts: Brandon, Piper, Dan, and Howard, with Sandra Tayler Piper J. Drake joins the cast for our week-four episodes, of which this is the first. This week we'll be drilling down into hybrid viewpoints—blending 1st a…
12.3: Project in Depth, “Risk Assessment,” by Sandra Tayler [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 23:45
Your Hosts: Brandon, Mary, Dan, and Howard, with Sandra Tayler This Project in Depth episode contains spoilers for "Risk Assessment," which is included in Force Multiplication: Schlock Mercenary Book 12. The story was wr…
12.2: How to Nail Character Voice in First Person [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 21:29
Your Hosts: Brandon, Mary, Mary Anne, and Wesley This week we talk about character voice, and how to get it right in First Person. This POV is a strong tool for developing memorable characters. We cover sentence structur…