Most people think of Bitcoin as something you hold. Moritz Kaminski, co-founder of Alby, says it's becoming something your AI agent spends.
Wyatt sits down with Moritz Kaminski to unpack why the Lightning Network is quietly becoming the payment rail of the agentic internet, what it actually looks like to give an AI agent a self-custodial Bitcoin wallet, and why micropayments are the unlock that nobody in the AI conversation is talking about enough.
Moritz Kaminski walks through his path from venture capital to building on open source Bitcoin infrastructure, why privacy on Lightning gives it a structural edge over stablecoins and on-chain crypto, and what Alby learned from putting a 100,000 sat bounty on a publicly available AI agent and telling the internet to hack it. Wyatt and Moritz get into the mechanics of routing nodes, native Bitcoin yield, and why major players like AWS, Cloudflare, Stripe, and MasterCard are all quietly building agentic payment infrastructure right now.
We close out with Moritz Kaminski's take on where Bitcoin adoption actually stands as a payment method, why the digital gold narrative is still the strongest on-ramp for financial professionals, and what he'd tell anyone sitting on the fence about trying Lightning for the first time.
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Chapters [00:00] Introduction to Bitcoin and Albi [04:08] Understanding the Lightning Network [08:36] Growth and Adoption of the Lightning Network [11:40] Albi's Mission and Product Offerings [14:40] Bitcoin's Journey as a Payment Method [17:33] The Future of Identity and Trust with Nostr [21:23] AI, Agents, and Micropayments [30:10] Unlocking Micropayments and AI Agents [33:08] Building for AI: The New Product Paradigm [35:33] Learning from Hacking: Enhancing AI Agents [37:27] Product Market Fit: Bitcoin and AI Workflows [40:05] AI's Influence on Bitcoin: A Market Perspective [42:16] Integrating Lightning into Investment Products [48:45] Untapped Opportunities in the Lightning Ecosystem [50:37] Communicating Bitcoin's Value to Clients
Guest: Moritz Kaminski
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