137: This Is Not Mad Men | Advice for Executive Directors Managing Their Board with David Rhode

137: This Is Not Mad Men | Advice for Executive Directors Managing Their Board with David Rhode

Author: Jess Birken, MNM, JD May 1, 2025 Duration: 27:42

Welcome to this episode of Charity Therapy! I'm Jess Birken, and today we're diving into the wild world of nonprofit leadership.

I've got David Rhode, a super-smart nonprofit coach and author, joining me to give all kinds of advice for nonprofit executive directors. We're tackling a juicy listener question about a micromanaging board member who's causing a bit of a headache. Trust me, we've got some great strategies to share that'll help you balance gratitude with boundary-setting.

Transitioning from a working board to a governing board can feel like trying to solve a Rubik's Cube in the dark, especially when leadership roles are changing. With David's guidance, we explore how to keep board members engaged by giving them roles that match their strengths. Don't worry, we've got tips on keeping things fair and professional, ensuring everyone knows their lane.

And let's not forget the fun twists of gender dynamics and generational differences. David and I chat about the importance of continuous learning and having a support network. Plus, we've got some motivational pep talks for those days when you're just trying to keep your head above water.

Tune in for some personal stories, professional advice, and a few laughs as we empower you to lead with confidence and cultivate a culture of respect in your nonprofit world.

In this episode, you will hear:

  • How to navigate the tricky waters of board dynamics and leadership

  • Some no-nonsense tips on how to set boundaries with a board member

  • How to transition from a working board to a governing board

  • How to step into your role as the boss

  • David's advice for building your own support network

  • How to stand up and claim your turf (respectfully!)

  • What to do when doing the same things over and over again just won't cut it anymore

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Ever find yourself wishing for a direct line to seasoned nonprofit leaders, a chance to unpack the real challenges that don’t make it into the glossy annual reports? Charity Therapy is that conversation. With host Jess Birken, who brings her background as a lawyer and a Master of Nonprofit Management to the table, each session feels like pulling up a chair with a trusted advisor. The discussions move beyond theory, tackling the granular details of operations that leaders actually face-whether it’s navigating a tricky IRS compliance question, rebuilding a fundraising strategy from the ground up, or managing the complex interpersonal dynamics that define any mission-driven team. This podcast digs into the operational heart of the sector, offering pragmatic insights you can apply directly to your own work. It’s a resource built on the understanding that running a nonprofit is a continuous practice of problem-solving, and Jess guides these explorations with clarity and a deep respect for the work. Tune in for honest dialogue that treats the daily grind of management as the serious and nuanced craft that it is.
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