125: Prez. Vander Heide | USACM & Vander Mill

125: Prez. Vander Heide | USACM & Vander Mill

Author: Ria Windcaller: Award-winning Cidermaker, Podcaster | Craft Beer Columnist April 25, 2018 Duration: 1:01:08

Paul Vander Heide opened Vander Mill a cidery based in Spring Lake Michigan in 2008. Some might think that 3000 square feet is a good size for a start up cidery and they would be right. But as Paul reminisces in this chat, they had to expand quickly when they had to move outdoors to continue production.

In 2016, a new location was open in Grand Rapids. Both locations have a Tap Room and Restaurant.

Vander Mill makes both modern ciders and Heritage ciders.

Go to 31:57 in the podcast to hear Paul discuss the question of what is a Heritage apple in the US.

At CiderCon2018 Paul was elected as the new President of the United States Association of Cider Makers.  He is very optimistic about cider in America and speaks about embracing the diversity of makers in the US, which range from traditional, modern to a blend of both.

For Vander Mill the consumers informed this maker on the styles that they make, says Paul " It was the consumer that drove our business into a wide range of styles for Vander Mill. The cidery makes both Heritage and Modern ciders.

And while the cider drinker's palate slowly changes towards more subtle notes, Paul is not waiting on planting cider apple varieties. He credits Vander Mill's partnership with a local grower who has put in a large block of cider apples for making the future look quite bright….or…er…full bodied and tannic. :)

Find Vander Mill ciders, distributed in:

  • Michigan
  • Wisconsin
  • Ohio
  • Indiana
  • Illinois

Draft accounts throughout Michigan and Chicago with a sprinkling of draft accounts throughout the other states

Contact Vander Mill

Spring Lake location

  • Telephone: 616-842-4337
  • Address for Tap Room & Restaurant
    • 14921 Cleveland Street Spring Lake
    • Michigan, 49456
      • Hours:
        • Sunday Brunch 10-2pm
        • Wed & Thurs 2-9pm
        • Fri 2-10pm
        • Sat 11-10pm
          • 2-4pm snacks, 4pm dinner starts

Grand Rapids Tap Room, Restaurant & Production

  • Telephone: 616-259-8828
  • Address for Tap Room & Restaurant
    • 505 Ball Ave NE
    • Grand Rapids, MI 49503
      • Hours:
        • Sunday Brunch 9am-3pm
        • Mon-Thurs 11am-11pm
        • Fri-Sat 11am-12am

Mentions in this chat

6-degrees of Cider - share the news on the Totally Cider Tour headed to Normandy France September 23-29, 2018

Allan Hyland maker at Door Peninsula Winery who sent a box of 3 ciders to Ria.

  • Mimosa
  • Modern
  • Heritage

Virtue Cider - view the unboxing of the Rosé ciders sent to Ria.

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There’s a whole world in a glass of cider, and Cider Chat is your invitation to explore it. Hosted by award-winning cidermaker and writer Ria Windcaller, this podcast travels far beyond the bottle to meet the people who make the global cider culture so vibrant. Each conversation is a journey-you might find yourself in a heritage orchard learning the history of forgotten apple varieties, in a bustling taproom with an importer explaining regional traditions, or in a kitchen with a chef pairing cider with unexpected foods. The discussions get into the delightful nuances, too, whether that’s the semantics of what we even call this drink or how the concept of terroir translates from soil to sip. It’s not just about production; it’s about the community, the travel, and the stories that fermentation unlocks. This is for anyone curious about the craft, history, and sheer enjoyment of fermented apple juice in all its forms. So, pour a glass and settle in for a series that feels like a wide-ranging, informative, and genuinely good-humored chat with friends who happen to be obsessed with cider. You’ll come away with a deeper appreciation for every effervescent, tart, or sweet sip, hearing directly from the growers, makers, and enthusiasts who are shaping this drink’s exciting present and future.
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