Who decides when AI is too dangerous?

Who decides when AI is too dangerous?

Author: The Verge June 18, 2026 Duration: 40:53
My guest today is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter for The Verge. Often when Hayden comes on the show, it’s because something has gone wrong in the world of AI. Last weekend, that something was a pretty intense mix of Anthropic, the Trump administration, and Anthropic’s new AI model, Fable 5.  Hayden actually just published a fantastic play-by-play on The Verge about how the Fable ban went down, and the scramble through the weekend from both sides to figure out what exactly happened and how it might get resolved. So I wanted her to come on and just walk me through the timeline and what it all means. Read the ⁠full interview transcript on The Verge⁠. Links:  Inside the fight over Claude Mythos 5 | ⁠The Verge⁠ Anthropic cuts off Fable 5 and Mythos 5 access following government order | ⁠The Verge⁠ Anthropic got hit by export rules nobody understands | ⁠The Verge⁠ Anthropic’s safety superpower | ⁠Stratechery⁠ "They screwed us": Personality clashes sent Anthropic's models offline | ⁠Axios⁠ Anthropic’s call for AI nonproliferation | ⁠New York Times⁠ Trump signs exec order to review AI models before release | ⁠The Verge⁠ New Anthropic model finds security problems ‘in every major OS, browser’ | ⁠The Verge⁠ Subscribe to The Verge⁠ to access the ad-free version of Decoder! Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.  The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Duration: 1:11:22
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