Future of Kubernetes with Brendan Burns

Future of Kubernetes with Brendan Burns

Author: Bret Fisher August 11, 2023 Duration: 1:04:51

Bret and Matt welcome special guest Brendan Burns, CVP Azure Cloud Native & Resource Management, and also a founding member of the Kubernetes project.

🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched! It's a training + community + mentorship program for engineers wanting to learn the latest CI/CD automation and dive into Agentic DevOps. Meetups are happening now, with new course videos dropping every few weeks. Join the Guild and become your team's leader in AI for infrastructure automation https://www.bretfisher.com/theguild 🍾

Because Brendan is one of the three original co-founders of the Kubernetes project back in 2013 at Google, he's a little bit internet famous in open source and Cloud Native. So I was a little nervous going into this because I had so many questions.

We took some live questions as we always do from YouTube live, and I thought it was a really great episode of a little mix of talking about Azure and some of the things you can do with containers, some of the things they're working on, some of the things that he's focused on that we haven't seen yet. We talk about AI and how that relates to some of these things.

We even talk about WASM or WebAssembly, one of my favorite topics of the last year, because that's important so it was great to get his perspective.

And I think my favorite part of the show is where we really talk about the next layers of abstraction, or maybe even the ways that we can deploy to Kubernetes or make it simpler to manage and deploy to. And that's been a real challenge for the community ever since Kubernetes was created in making it more accessible to more people, without it being so complex to manage and deal with underneath. And Brendan has some really great views on what it's going to take it to get us there.

Live recording of the complete show from June 15, 2023 is on YouTube (Ep. #221).

★Topics★
Ways to run containers on Azure
Dapr
WebAssembly on Azure Kubernetes
Wasmtime
Twelve-Factor App


You can also support this podcast by subscribing to my YouTube channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news!

Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses.
Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord.
Grab some merch at Bret's Loot Box
Homepage bretfisher.com


Creators & Guests
  • (00:00) - Intro
  • (05:27) - Introducing Brendan
  • (11:04) - Advice for starting to run containers
  • (32:47) - Reducing complexity with AI
  • (36:58) - Addressing DevOps fatigue
  • (44:55) - Running WebAssembly on Kubernetes
  • (56:40) - LTS Linux Distributions
  • (01:01:45) - What's next after containers and orchestration?

Bret Fisher hosts DevOps and Docker Talk: Cloud Native Interviews and Tooling alongside Nirmal Mehta, pulling conversations directly from their live audience sessions. This isn't a theoretical lecture series; it's grounded in the practical, often messy realities of building and running modern systems. Each episode digs into the specific tools and philosophies shaping infrastructure today, from the foundational elements like Docker and container orchestration with Kubernetes or Swarm to the broader cultural shifts of DevOps, SRE, and platform engineering. You'll hear discussions that span the entire software lifecycle, touching on the integration of security with DevSecOps, the automation promises of GitOps, and what "Cloud Native" truly means for development teams. The dialogue stays focused on actionable insights and real-world use cases, offering a genuine sense of what works and what doesn't in the field. For anyone navigating the container and cloud ecosystem, this podcast serves as a regular, insightful check-in with practitioners and experts, hosted by someone deeply embedded in the community. The natural, interview-driven format makes complex topics accessible, ensuring listeners come away with more than just buzzwords-they get context and clarity.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 100

DevOps and Docker Talk: Cloud Native Interviews and Tooling
Podcast Episodes
AWS Lambda Containers [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 49:02
Bret and Nirmal are joined by Ken Collins, AWS Serverless Hero and Principal Engineer at Custom Ink to discuss all things Lambda and to dig into the details of running containers in serverless.🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild…
Ephemeral & Preview Environments for Compose and Kubernetes [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 43:01
Bret and Nirmal are joined by Grayson Adkins and Josh Thurman on the show. They are co-founders of Uffizzi, an environments-as-a-service company for Docker Compose and Kubernetes.🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched!…
Codefresh and Argo CD with Dan Garfield [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:01:33
Bret is joined by Dan Garfield of CodeFresh to talk about growth of GitOps as a standard, growth of Argo, and more.🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched! It's a training + community + mentorship program for engineers w…
OpenSauced with Brian Douglas [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 53:09
In this episode, Bret and Nirmal talk with Brian Douglas of OpenSauced. 🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched! It's a training + community + mentorship program for engineers wanting to learn the latest CI/CD automation…
Istio Ambient Mesh and Solo.io [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:04:59
Bret and Nirmal welcome Idit Levine, Founder/CEO Solo.io. Idit focuses on Service Mesh, API-GW and Multi-Cloud networking, and security.🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched! It's a training + community + mentorship pr…
Kasten K10 Kubernetes Backups [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:11:03
Bret and Matt welcome Michael Cade, the field CTO at Kasten by Veeam. 🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched! It's a training + community + mentorship program for engineers wanting to learn the latest CI/CD automation a…
Cycle.io LowOps container platform [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 52:17
Bret and Matt welcome Jake Warner back to the show to talk about LowOps. What does LowOps mean? What can Cycle offer us as an alternative to Swarm and Kubernetes?🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched! It's a training +…
AWS containers with Corey Quinn [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:07:31
Bret and Matt are joined by Corey Quinn to talk about AWS and containers.🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched! It's a training + community + mentorship program for engineers wanting to learn the latest CI/CD automatio…
Podman In Action: Desktop, Machine, and more [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:00:42
Bret and Matt are joined by Brent Baude and Dan Walsh from Red Hat to talk about the latest with Podman, Quadlet, Podman Desktop and Podman machine, and how it all works with Kubernetes.🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has lau…
Falco Logs Suspicious Events on Your K8s and Servers [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:08:31
Bret and his co-host, Matt, are joined by Jason Dellaluce and Luca Guerra from Sysdig to talk about Falco, a tool I recommend for production clusters and knowing about any bad behavior on your servers. 🙌 The Agentic DevO…