192: Breaking the Rescue Cycle: How to Attract Clients Without Losing Yourself With Michaela Pay

192: Breaking the Rescue Cycle: How to Attract Clients Without Losing Yourself With Michaela Pay

Author: Joanna Ingram April 8, 2025 Duration: 50:19

Welcome to Goals with Soul! If you’ve ever felt stuck in frustrating client dynamics - like you’re always "saving" people or pushing uphill - this episode will change everything.


I’m joined by spiritual mentor Michaela Pay, whose journey from skeptical personal trainer to intuitive keynote speaker and bestselling author, has transformed how she sees business and personal growth. And today, she’s here to introduce you to the Drama Triangle - a hidden pattern that keeps us trapped in toxic roles.


Michaela shares a hilarious CrossFit story that perfectly illustrates how we unconsciously slip into these roles of Hero, Victim or Villain, and how recognizing them can revolutionize the way we lead, coach, and serve.


Tune in for these key insights from our conversation:

- Why playing the hero actually disempowers your clients

- How to attract self-led, high-frequency clients

- The hidden motivations behind your business struggles

- How to make a powerful shift that creates real transformation


Michaela is the "least spiritual, spiritual person", so expect grounded, no-nonsense wisdom that will shake up how you show up in your work.


Pour yourself something delicious, grab a notebook, and tune in now...your business (and future clients) will thank you!


Enjoy the listen!

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You can find Michaela on Instagram and Facebook, and check out her book, Dismantling the Drama Triangle, here.

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Joanna Ingram hosts Goals With Soul, a space where the practical mechanics of business meet personal alignment. This isn't about generic marketing tips; it's a conversation for coaches and healers who feel their work is a calling and want their external brand to genuinely reflect that inner purpose. With over two decades of marketing experience, Joanna acts as a guide, exploring how messaging, client offers, and market positioning can flow from a place of intuitive strategy and spiritual integrity. Each episode digs into the often-overlooked energetics of building a business, moving beyond tactics to discuss how to attract high-value clients by first solidifying your own foundation. You'll hear discussions on translating your unique brilliance into a compelling brand narrative, ensuring that every business goal you pursue feels connected to a deeper why. Tune into this podcast for a nuanced blend of actionable business insight and reflective practice, all aimed at creating a sustainable practice that doesn't just succeed, but truly resonates.
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