Episode 28: "When Do Ambitious Leaders Get to Be Loved?"
Are you loved for who you really are, or just the model of perfection people expect? When do ambitious leaders get to lower their standards and just be accepted? This episode answers that question with raw stories from five women veterans who discovered we don't have to choose between being excellent and being authentically ourselves.
In this special recording from the Others Over Self 2023 Leadership Conference & Women Veterans Engage - Detroit (presented by General Motors), Kelly Tulloch leads a powerful panel featuring Erica Hoover (Michigan Women Veterans & Special Populations Coordinator, MVAA), Pazzella Bonner (Homes for Heroic Veterans founder), Sarah Gagnan (Air Force veteran and GM autonomous systems specialist), and Qwynn Galloway-Salazar, Ph.D. (Founder of In Their Honor, LLC and end-of-life doula).
You'll hear stories about being told they're "too happy" for military service, modeling plus-size clothing when the industry said they didn't exist, starting businesses after being fired while caring for dying parents, and being 65 years old still working on self-acceptance. These women reveal how they built confidence through failure, transformed criticism into fuel, and discovered that sharing your light only makes it brighter.
This is about building social support networks that catch us when we're questioning everything. It's about creating communities where ambitious leaders can be both excellent and struggling, both capable and needing support—both hardcore and at ease.
CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introduction and Host's Opening Remarks (01:21) Personal Reflections and Challenges (03:31) Panel Introduction and Backgrounds (07:55) Defining Confidence (12:59) Overcoming Adversity and Building Confidence (29:53) Embracing Empathy and Understanding (30:47) Navigating Challenges and Setbacks (33:40) Advocacy and Identity (38:31) Building Confidence and Inner Strength (51:38) Final Reflections and Takeaways
IN THIS EPISODE YOU'LL DISCOVER:
- Why we don't have to choose between being loved and maintaining standards
- How to build social support networks that hold you through hard moments
- The difference between "fake it till you make it" and authentic confidence
- Why sharing your light with others only makes yours brighter
- How five women leaders turned their biggest setbacks into their greatest strengths
FEATURED PANELISTS: Kelly Tulloch (Panel Lead) - Military Woman Advocate, U.S. Air Force Veteran Erica Hoover - Women Veterans & Special Populations Coordinator, MVAA, U.S. Navy Veteran Pazzella Bonner - U.S. Army Veteran, Founder of Homes for Heroic Veterans, 2021 Macomb County Veteran of the Year Sarah Gagnan - Active Duty 2008-2019, Michigan Air National Guard, General Motors Autonomous Systems Specialist Qwynn Galloway-Salazar, Ph.D. - U.S. Army Veteran, Founder of In Their Honor, LLC, End-of-Life Doula & Death Educator
NEXT WEEK: Episode 29 - "Year-End Reflection: What Winning Leaders Do Differently" - We're closing out 2025 by looking at what actually worked this year and how to carry lessons forward without carrying the weight.
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