Defeated Sanity

Defeated Sanity

Author: Hank Shteamer March 8, 2020 Duration: 2:04:54
For the first episode of Heavy Metal Bebop's second season, we have two guests, presented one after the other. They are Lille Gruber, drummer, co-founder and principal songwriter for the German death-metal band Defeated Sanity, and Jacob Schmidt, the band's bassist and co-songwriter since 2005. If you've listened to prior episodes of this show and/or read Heavy Metal Bebop interviews online, you've probably run across Defeated Sanity's name. That's because, like Meshuggah and Gorguts before them, during the past 15 years or so, Defeated Sanity have gradually evolved into an institution of forward-thinking metal, a band that open-minded musicians both inside and outside the genre look to as leaders in their field. Their work draws on the brutality of genre forefathers like Cannibal Corpse as well as the jazz savvy of bands like Cynic, creating a breathakingly diverse sound that wholly rejects the pristine veneer of modern extreme metal. In 2016, they released Disposal of the Dead / Dharmata, a "self-split" album that isolated the two different sides of their work. Recently Lille and Jacob were in New York putting the finishing touches on their upcoming album at Menegroth, the Queens studio owned and operated by my friend Colin Marston. I dropped by and sat down with Lille and Jacob for sequential conversations touching on how Lille started the band with his fusion-loving father, Wolfgang Teske; why Lille considers the Mahavishnu Orchestra to be his Black Sabbath; why he'd like to combine Miles Davis' Tutu with death metal slams; Jacob's take on the difficulties of being a truly progressive band in an often conservative genre; and much more. If you're listening to this episode in March 2020, Defeated Sanity are about to head out on a big U.S. tour with Origin, so check their Facebook page for all the details.

For seven years, the conversations of Heavy Metal Bebop lived as detailed written interviews, exploring a fascinating musical borderland where blistering guitar riffs meet complex improvisation. Hosted by critic and player Hank Shteamer, this podcast now gives voice to those dialogues, featuring long-form talks with notable artists who operate where jazz and heavy metal collide. Each episode is built on a deep, shared understanding of craft, moving beyond superficial comparisons to uncover the shared spirit of intensity, technical ambition, and raw expression that fuels both genres. Listeners hear musicians-whether they identify more with saxophone solos or double-kick drums-discuss their influences, dissect specific recordings, and reveal the often-surprising connections between these two powerful musical worlds. It’s a series for anyone curious about the threads linking John Coltrane to Black Sabbath, or who finds equal thrill in a spiraling free-jazz passage and a crushing doom-metal riff. Hank Shteamer guides these explorations with a journalist’s precision and a fan’s enthusiasm, creating a space where genre boundaries are meant to be dissolved. The result is a consistently revealing podcast that challenges narrow definitions of what music can be, offering a unique and enduring listen for dedicated fans of either scene, or for those discovering the potent alchemy of their fusion.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 12

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Jack DeJohnette [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:31:27
If you're discussing the early intersection of jazz, rock and related styles, Miles Davis is an unavoidable name, and one of the players most directly responsible for helping Miles achieve his early breakthroughs in that…
Bill Ward [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:09:53
In an earlier episode of this podcast, drummer Kenny Grohowski spoke about what he called the unique swing of metal. In this episode, we delve into the root of that idea via a conversation with one of my musical heroes:…
Pyrrhon [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:45:00
Pyrrhon formed in 2008, and during the past 10 years or so, they've become one of the standout heavy bands in the New York underground. At their core, Pyrrhon are an extremely intense death metal band, but over time, the…
Jan Hammer [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:58:20
As anyone familiar with this interview series has most likely gathered, the original Mahavishnu Orchestra are something of an obsession for me — not to mention a gamechanging force in the early blending of jazz and heavy…
Wendy Eisenberg [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 2:18:40
Wendy Eisenberg is a jazz guitarist by training who can often be heard playing just about anything but conventional jazz guitar. That includes free improv, art pop, noise and avant-garde punk with radically inventive ban…
Ches Smith [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 2:18:01
To call drummer Ches Smith merely versatile would be selling him way short. He's played the most advanced jazz with artists such as Tim Berne and massively heavy rock with bands like Theory of Ruin, and covered just abou…
Vernon Reid [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 2:20:45
In this series, I've spoken with many musicians who have a serious appreciation for heavy metal, and some who have plenty of experience playing it, but Vernon Reid is in another category altogether. He's a genuine legend…
Tyshawn Sorey [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:01:51
Tyshawn Sorey probably needs little introduction to listeners of this podcast. I first became familiar with Sorey via his astonishingly proficient and future-minded drumming in collaborations with Vijay Iyer and Steve Le…
Kenny Grohowski [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 3:07:11
The jazz/metal crossover can take many forms, but in the case of Kenny Grohowski, that overlap is clear and overt. Growing up as a serious fusion head, this NYC-via-Miami drummer went on to study jazz at the New School a…
Kate Gentile [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 2:22:33
Kate Gentile is a drummer-composer with a highly advanced and personal musical language. Trained in jazz from high school on, she began listening to metal in recent years and has since gravitated toward some of the more…