Ches Smith

Ches Smith

Author: Hank Shteamer July 9, 2019 Duration: 2:18:01
To call drummer Ches Smith merely versatile would be selling him way short. He's played the most advanced jazz with artists such as Tim Berne and massively heavy rock with bands like Theory of Ruin, and covered just about every point in between with projects like Marc Ribot's Ceramic Dog and Trevor Dunn's Trio-Convulsant. In this conversation, he discusses his early years playing Poison covers, how he absorbed the the language of bebop drumming, his time on the road with Mr. Bungle, the inner-workings of Trio-Convulsant and Theory of Ruin (a band that featured former Fudge Tunnel and Nailbomb guitarist-vocalist Alex Newport), what he learned from touring alongside Slayer's Dave Lombardo and the Melvins' Dale Crover, the metal metamorphosis of Good for Cows (his duo with bassist Devin Hoff), how he was eventually able to bring his full range of jazz and rock know-how to the table in a single setting, and much more. To learn more about Ches, go to chessmith.com.

For seven years, the conversations of Heavy Metal Bebop lived as detailed written interviews, exploring a fascinating musical borderland where blistering guitar riffs meet complex improvisation. Hosted by critic and player Hank Shteamer, this podcast now gives voice to those dialogues, featuring long-form talks with notable artists who operate where jazz and heavy metal collide. Each episode is built on a deep, shared understanding of craft, moving beyond superficial comparisons to uncover the shared spirit of intensity, technical ambition, and raw expression that fuels both genres. Listeners hear musicians-whether they identify more with saxophone solos or double-kick drums-discuss their influences, dissect specific recordings, and reveal the often-surprising connections between these two powerful musical worlds. It’s a series for anyone curious about the threads linking John Coltrane to Black Sabbath, or who finds equal thrill in a spiraling free-jazz passage and a crushing doom-metal riff. Hank Shteamer guides these explorations with a journalist’s precision and a fan’s enthusiasm, creating a space where genre boundaries are meant to be dissolved. The result is a consistently revealing podcast that challenges narrow definitions of what music can be, offering a unique and enduring listen for dedicated fans of either scene, or for those discovering the potent alchemy of their fusion.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 12

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Jack DeJohnette [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:31:27
If you're discussing the early intersection of jazz, rock and related styles, Miles Davis is an unavoidable name, and one of the players most directly responsible for helping Miles achieve his early breakthroughs in that…
Defeated Sanity [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 2:04:54
For the first episode of Heavy Metal Bebop's second season, we have two guests, presented one after the other. They are Lille Gruber, drummer, co-founder and principal songwriter for the German death-metal band Defeated…
Bill Ward [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:09:53
In an earlier episode of this podcast, drummer Kenny Grohowski spoke about what he called the unique swing of metal. In this episode, we delve into the root of that idea via a conversation with one of my musical heroes:…
Pyrrhon [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:45:00
Pyrrhon formed in 2008, and during the past 10 years or so, they've become one of the standout heavy bands in the New York underground. At their core, Pyrrhon are an extremely intense death metal band, but over time, the…
Jan Hammer [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:58:20
As anyone familiar with this interview series has most likely gathered, the original Mahavishnu Orchestra are something of an obsession for me — not to mention a gamechanging force in the early blending of jazz and heavy…
Wendy Eisenberg [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 2:18:40
Wendy Eisenberg is a jazz guitarist by training who can often be heard playing just about anything but conventional jazz guitar. That includes free improv, art pop, noise and avant-garde punk with radically inventive ban…
Vernon Reid [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 2:20:45
In this series, I've spoken with many musicians who have a serious appreciation for heavy metal, and some who have plenty of experience playing it, but Vernon Reid is in another category altogether. He's a genuine legend…
Tyshawn Sorey [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:01:51
Tyshawn Sorey probably needs little introduction to listeners of this podcast. I first became familiar with Sorey via his astonishingly proficient and future-minded drumming in collaborations with Vijay Iyer and Steve Le…
Kenny Grohowski [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 3:07:11
The jazz/metal crossover can take many forms, but in the case of Kenny Grohowski, that overlap is clear and overt. Growing up as a serious fusion head, this NYC-via-Miami drummer went on to study jazz at the New School a…
Kate Gentile [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 2:22:33
Kate Gentile is a drummer-composer with a highly advanced and personal musical language. Trained in jazz from high school on, she began listening to metal in recent years and has since gravitated toward some of the more…