9. Good Artists Copy; Great Artists Steal // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 6

9. Good Artists Copy; Great Artists Steal // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 6

Author: Mama Bear Studios September 4, 2018 Duration: 56:35

The War on Drugs // Here’s the music video for “Pain,” a song from his new album Thinking of a Place. Adam Granduciel, the main creative force behind the band happens to be from Philadelphia, which is also Zay’s home town and right across the river from Jon’s.

“Good artists borrow, great artists steal” - Pablo Picasso (?)

Robert Altman on Wikipedia

Oliver Stone (not Robert Altman) directed Born on the Fourth of July in 1989. It stars, guess who? Tommy Cruise himself.

Mumblecore // It’s fine. It’s also not technically a thing. It’s just a sub-genre.

52:00 // We’re launching a new show within a show! It’s called This is What You Should Watch!

Bo Burnham // Amazing young director of Eighth Grade

  • Here’s the trailer for Eighth Grade (2018) released by A24.
  • Watch his standup special Make Happy on Netflix.

@DadBoner AKA Karl Welzein // One of the greatest comedy experiments ever done on social media. Here’s his Twitter account.

Here’s the link to the police station castle, which really does look like a castle!!!

Paul Thomas Anderson //

  • Watch the Boogie Nights (1997) trailer here.
  • At the time of this release it’s still on Netflix here.
  • Warning: extremely graphic material and some violence.

Michael Arndt, the patron saint of Mama Bear Studios // Here’s his IMDB. He was nominated for an Oscar for Toy Story 3 (2010) and won the oscar for best original screenplay for Little Miss Sunshine (2006).

Austin Film Festival // Easily one of the best festivals I’ve ever attended (especially for screenwriters). It starts Thursday, October 25, 2018.

The Driskill Hotel, where Michael Arndt bought Zay drinks with his Star Wars money.

1:11:00 // Time for the Mail Bag (subject to change)

“The Fever” // The song that turned Jon into a Bruce Springsteen fan (at least for now)

Squatty Potty // Their video is amazing and informative.

Indonesian bathrooms are a little tricky for westerners

Wes Anderson // Zay’s earliest cinematic influence

  • Rushmore (1998)
  • The Royal Tenenbaums (2001)
  • The Life Aquatic (2004)

FilmGrab // An amazing resource for finding film stills online

This is how Wild Horses, by the Rolling Stones is supposed to sound.

Here’s a link to a full concert of Led Zeppelin Live in 1970. It just doesn’t make sense how powerful and creative these guys were. Also, how do they make that hair look cool?












Credits and Personal Links:

A Mama Bear Studios Production // Mama Bear Studios’ Website

Produced by: Isaiah Smallman

Edited by: Roger Middenway (rogermiddenway.com)

Executive Producer: Jon Schimpf

Opening music: "The Get Down," Produced by Summer Dregs

Outro music: Composed and Recorded by Tom Paulus and Max Belz

Cover Art by: Nate Giordano

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Ever feel like you're just winging it, whether in your career or just trying to understand the latest TV show everyone's talking about? That's the spirit of I Guess We'll Do It That Way, a weekly podcast from Mama Bear Studios. Hosts Isaiah and Jon bring a mix of genuine curiosity and comedic relief to their conversations, which always feel more like a chat between friends than a formal interview. They dig into the messy intersection of life and popular culture, but the real heartbeat of the show is their frontline perspective on the film industry. You'll hear firsthand about the unpredictable hustle of producing movies, where the rules change daily and the only constant is the need to adapt. This isn't just industry gossip; it's a candid look at the business, careers, and creative chaos behind the scenes in Hollywood, all filtered through a lens of relatable humor. Tuning into this podcast feels like getting an insider's take without the pretension, where laughs are frequent and the stories are real. Whether they're unpacking a new series or dissecting a latest trend, Isaiah and Jon keep it grounded, making the complexities of entertainment both accessible and genuinely entertaining.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 72

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40. Quarks in Quarks in Quarks (THIS IS 40!) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 51:54
The boys hit a milestone and celebrate by discussing many topics out of their depth. Physics, Nephilim, Pyramids, Pi, the secret of life... mercifully a guest arrives at the end to bring us back to reality... or hurtle u…
39. The Fat Lady Hath Sungeth (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 30) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 43:19
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38. The Final Meltdown (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 29) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 29:18
Rollers enters the final week of shooting and Zay dishes the goods through a tin can. Tensions run high but lessons are learned as movie magic is made. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
37. Catharsis Is Coming (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 28) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:02:47
Rollers is being put to (digital) film and the boys yak about Uncle Zay's successes and setbacks on set thus far. Turns out: making your first Indie is challenging and cathartic; plus some tangents. Hosted on Acast. See…
33. Strap On Your Fanny Packs (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 24) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:05:33
Rollers is rolling into high gear, but Zay is feeling at least reasonably peaceful about the whole thing. Jon's been binging "The Haunting of Hill House" and he's scared shitless. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy f…
32. A Much Needed Christmas Escape (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 23) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 30:36
We hope you're having fun with your families these holidays. But if you need to get away from the politics and presents, throw this episode on the old turntable and escape into the wild and meandering minds of Uncle Zay…