"Measuring no CoT math time horizon (single forward pass)" by ryan_greenblatt

"Measuring no CoT math time horizon (single forward pass)" by ryan_greenblatt

Author: LessWrong December 27, 2025 Duration: 12:46
A key risk factor for scheming (and misalignment more generally) is opaque reasoning ability.One proxy for this is how good AIs are at solving math problems immediately without any chain-of-thought (CoT) (as in, in a single forward pass).I've measured this on a dataset of easy math problems and used this to estimate 50% reliability no-CoT time horizon using the same methodology introduced in Measuring AI Ability to Complete Long Tasks (the METR time horizon paper).

Important caveat: To get human completion times, I ask Opus 4.5 (with thinking) to estimate how long it would take the median AIME participant to complete a given problem.These times seem roughly reasonable to me, but getting some actual human baselines and using these to correct Opus 4.5's estimates would be better.

Here are the 50% reliability time horizon results:

I find that Opus 4.5 has a no-CoT 50% reliability time horizon of 3.5 minutes and that time horizon has been doubling every 9 months.

In an earlier post (Recent LLMs can leverage filler tokens or repeated problems to improve (no-CoT) math performance), I found that repeating the problem substantially boosts performance.In the above plot, if [...]

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Outline:

(02:33) Some details about the time horizon fit and data

(04:17) Analysis

(06:59) Appendix: scores for Gemini 3 Pro

(11:41) Appendix: full result tables

(11:46) Time Horizon - Repetitions

(12:07) Time Horizon - Filler

The original text contained 2 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.

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First published:
December 26th, 2025

Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Ty5Bmg7P6Tciy2uj2/measuring-no-cot-math-time-horizon-single-forward-pass

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Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.

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Two graphs comparing AI model training times with and without repeat/filler, linear and log scale.
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