Why Two Paramedics Watched Their Trainer Nearly Kill a Patient (And Said Nothing): How Lessons From The Aviation Industry Could Have Prevented It

Why Two Paramedics Watched Their Trainer Nearly Kill a Patient (And Said Nothing): How Lessons From The Aviation Industry Could Have Prevented It

Author: Ross Orpet, Paramedic turned EMS Physician June 1, 2025 Duration: 1:14:37
A field trainer administers a non-indicated medication while two trainees watch in silence. Sound familiar? In this eye-opening episode, we dive deep into how the aviation industry transformed from a punitive, hierarchical culture to one where crews actively prevent catastrophic errors—and how YOU can apply these same principles on your next EMS shift. Our guest, Glen, a commercial airline pilot and aviation safety expert, shares how the aviation industry has revolutionized itself through such methodologies as just culture, crew resource management, and error prevention tools like the inquiry, advocacy, assertiveness model. We explore how these principles can be effectively applied in our EMS world to improve safety and performance. By the end of this episode, you'll walk away with practical tactics to implement on your next shift, ensuring you and your crew can handle high-stress situations with confidence and competence. Key Concepts Covered: Crew Resource Management (CRM) Just Culture principles Aviation Safety Action Program (ASAP) Power distance in medical teams Human factors in emergency medicine Error prevention strategies Books Mentioned by Glen: Just Culture by Sidney Dekker - https://amzn.to/3Su0A9Y The Myth of Multitasking: How "doing it all" gets nothing done - https://amzn.to/4dAFa4E  Crew Resource Management Practice and Principles- https://amzn.to/3ZIjXzZ Threat & Error Management resources - https://skybrary.aero/articles/threat-and-error-management-tem Other Resources: The Resus Tailor - https://www.theresustailor.com/  This Episodes Blog Post- https://emspodcast.com/what-airplane-crashes-teach-us-about-saving-lives-in-ems-lessons-in-crew-resource-management-and-just-culture-from-the-aviation-industry/  Gear We Like: Good Stethoscope - https://amzn.to/3YJJrf2 Good Shears - https://amzn.to/40FROuF or https://amzn.to/3ChZ4Tn  Notepad for taking notes on calls - https://amzn.to/3Z1X21J Sunglasses - https://frontline-optics.com/discount/EMSCAST15 Other books we recommend: The Dichotomy of Leadership - https://amzn.to/4fiCAjN Extreme Ownership - https://amzn.to/3O1FWfa  Managing the Unexpected: Sustained Performance in a Complex World -        https://amzn.to/3V7BwYf Thinking Fast and Slow - https://amzn.to/4fiJG85 A Thousand Naked Strangers: A Paramedic's Wild Ride to the Edge and Back -  https://amzn.to/3YJJrf2 Guest/Cast/Crew information-Guest- GlenHost- Ross Orpet, Will Berry Catch up with us after the show Instagram- @emsloudandclear YouTube- https://www.youtube.com/@EMSLoudandClear Website- www.emspodcast.com Want to stay ahead of the top 1% in EMS and build real confidence in the field?👉 Book a call to get personalized guidance, improve decision-making under pressure, and grow your skills as a paramedic: https://calendly.com/d/cq38-87r-fkk/paramedic-confidence-builder📰 Join our weekly newsletter for exclusive EMS insights, leadership strategies, real-life scenarios, and tools designed to help you stay sharp, confident, and ahead of the curve: https://loudandclear.kit.com/d45b012fae

Stepping out of the classroom and into the rig is where the real learning begins, but that transition often leaves even seasoned providers with a lingering doubt. Loud & Clear: EMS Guiding Principles addresses that gap directly, moving past the basic protocols to explore the foundational reasoning that makes for excellent prehospital care. Hosted by Ross Orpet, a paramedic who now practices as an EMS physician, this podcast digs into the "why" behind the algorithms. It’s built on the understanding that no textbook can possibly cover every unique scenario you’ll encounter on the road. Instead of just listing steps, each episode examines the core principles that guide critical decisions when the situation doesn't fit a neat checklist. You’ll hear discussions that bridge the gap between field experience and medical rationale, focusing on the adaptive thinking required for complex emergencies. This is advanced continuing education designed for paramedics, EMTs, and all prehospital providers who feel that standard training was just the beginning. The conversations in this series aim to solidify your clinical judgment, helping you build confidence through comprehension. By tuning in, you gain access to a deeper level of professional development, where the objective is to think clearer and act more decisively, no matter how many days you have on the job. This podcast serves as a vital resource for those committed to mastering their craft beyond the basics.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 100

Loud & Clear: EMS Guiding Principles - Advanced Continuing Education for Paramedics, EMTs & Prehospital Care Providers
Podcast Episodes
Great Mentors Shape Better Clinicians [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 19:33
Don't Be A Field Training Officer Be A Field Training Mentor. Field training is about more than teaching skills, it shapes culture, standards, and the kind of clinician someone becomes. In this episode, Ross sits down wi…
Frozen Fingers, Time Is Tissue: The Prehospital Approach to Frostbite [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:00:06
Frostbite is more dangerous than it looks and easier to make worse than you think. In this episode, Ross and Will sit down with Dr. Greg Doctor, a wilderness medicine specialist and emergency physician practicing in the…
Wired to Fail: The Science of Human Error in EMS [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 11:17
What if the mistake wasn't your fault... but it's still your responsibility? That's the tension Shay Montgomery sits with every time she talks about the day she flew to a scene without the drug bag. Shay is a flight nurs…
Dump Kits and Checklists: Why Expert Paramedics Still Crash [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 18:14
Miss your first intubation attempt and your patient's risk of adverse events jumps sevenfold. By the third attempt? Nearly guaranteed complications. This isn't about your anatomical knowledge or practice hours—expert cli…
Stupidity in EMS: The causes and remedies [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 23:21
You're not making mistakes because you're dumb. You're making mistakes because of seven predictable factors—and once you know them, you can control them. Kris Kaull delivered a masterclass at FASTCAN on the hidden forces…