Episode 28: Pieter Jordaan on TUI’s Incredible 6-Month Cloud Journey

Episode 28: Pieter Jordaan on TUI’s Incredible 6-Month Cloud Journey

Author: Dr. Mik Kersten: Author of Project to Product and Founder and CEO of Tasktop March 23, 2021 Duration: 1:05:54
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Pieter Jordaan, Group CTO at TUI, the world’s leading integrated tourism group operating in more than a hundred destinations worldwide. In this episode, Mik and Pieter discuss Pieter’s contribution to TUI’s successful transformation to cloud and product value streams, as well as other key discussion points including: Pieter’s background and how he came to work for TUI, where the company was when he met Mik and the kind of business they were doing at that time How Pieter approached the transformation to consolidate the company’s different organization structures, operating models and IT systems The importance of visibility and choosing the right technology platform to provide a modern operating model for the entire business How the pandemic changed travel and made TUI look at massive cost savings and readopt a startup day mentality to continue their digital transformation journey Convincing leadership to buy into this transformation and everyone at the company to shift The critical process of allowing people to make mistakes and why managing risks shouldn’t be the first starting position Subscribe to the Mik + One podcast today so you never miss an episode and don’t forget to leave your review. Follow Mik on Twitter: @mik_kersten #MikPlusOnewww.tasktop.com For more information about Pieter Jordaan, to view the full list of resources featured in this episode, and to download the episode transcript, visit:https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/pieter-jordaan

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