Season 5 Ep 16: Embracing the Non-Linear Path with Michelle Cherian

Season 5 Ep 16: Embracing the Non-Linear Path with Michelle Cherian

Author: Lisa Kuzman July 8, 2021 Duration: 46:16

My guest this week is two-time entrepreneur and fellow podcaster Michelle Cherian. With 15 years of experience working with startups and Fortune 500 companies, Michelle knows what it takes to create a profitable app that makes your customers' lives better. On her podcast, Art of the App, she interviews trailblazing women startup founders, investors and other top minds to discuss their journey and role as agents of change.

But today, she's on my show, which means it's her turn in the hot seat! I was so jazzed to talk all about:

  • her winding path, and the beautiful disasters along the way
  • self-trust in decision making and shrugging off "should"s
  • the process of visibility (especially as podcasters!)
  • leaving perfectionism behind us — and embracing joy

"You make a decision and then you move on. The past is the past, you can't change it. It's a good practice to understand how you operate so that you can navigate making your decisions on your terms and not on someone else's or the way you think it 'should' be made."

Michelle, thanks so much for coming onto the show this week! I really enjoyed our conversation and I know the listeners will, too. Go check out her podcast, Art of the App:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/art-of-the-app/id1558538397
And visit her website: https://www.michellecherian.com/

Have you joined my trauma sensitive leadership group yet? We'd love to have you join our conversations! Head on over to my trauma sensitive leadership group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/764082764458292/
If you're in search of a more one-on-one experience, you can always book a call with me! https://lisakuzman.com/


There's a quiet shift happening in how we think about authority and influence, and New Wave Leadership Podcast is right at the heart of it. Host Lisa Kuzman believes traditional, top-down leadership models have run their course, proving ineffective for today's complex world. Instead, this movement champions a much broader, more inclusive vision. Each episode digs into the real, often unspoken challenges that come with stepping into a role of influence, whether you're in a corner office, a community group, or simply leading your own life. The conversations here actively work to expand our definition of who gets to be a leader, arguing passionately for the necessity of diverse identities, perspectives, and lived experiences at the helm. You'll hear frank discussions about authenticity, the personal hurdles leaders navigate behind closed doors, and practical ideas for cultivating your own unique leadership identity without conforming to outdated standards. Tuning into this podcast feels like joining a necessary dialogue-one that moves beyond theory to explore what it genuinely means to show up and make an impact on your own terms.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 100

New Wave Leadership Podcast
Podcast Episodes
Season 7 Ep 20: Let's Hear it For Accessibility! [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 47:53
Well, here we are: the final episode of season 7! If you've been tuning in, you know that this season has been dedicated to helping people understand what it's like to go through READY!, my nine-month grief, loss and tra…
Season 7 Ep 19: Ownership and Implementation Take Time [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 17:12
One thing you might have noticed this season is that when I talk about READY, I make a point to mention that this is a nine-month long program. Whew! Nine months! That's a long time, right? But part of the reason it's th…
Season 7 Ep 18: Tracey Forde on Infusing Love, Kindness, and Joy [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 20:31
This week, I'm thrilled to welcome Tracey Forde back to the show! Tracey is a wife, mother, entrepreneur and FIERCE female. While she's currently a Trauma Healing and Mindset coach, speaker, author & businesswoman, the r…
Season 7 Episode 15: Creating a Community of Belonging [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 17:39
How many spaces do you have in your life where you feel like you can be completely, totally, one HUNDRED percent yourself? For a lot of us, that answer might be "not many" or even (eek) "none." Especially for anyone navi…
Season 7 Ep 14: Megan Hale on Changing the Space You're Able to Hold [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 26:22
Welcome back, everyone! This week, I'm excited to share my conversation with business strategist and money mentor Megan Hale! She works with freedom driven entrepreneurs who are ready to step into feel good money and cre…
Season 7 Ep 12: Reigniting the Fire with Karen Hochheiser [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 16:36
Welcome back to Serving it HOT! Today, I'm excited to share my chat with counselor, coach, and educator Karen Hochheiser. In her work, she utilizes a collaborative approach to care in order to support the whole person. K…
Season 7 Ep 11: Trauma Survivorship Doesn't Make You Qualified [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 19:22
I've talked before about the difference between trauma sensitive vs trauma informed — check out episode 3 of season 7 for the most recent episode on the subject. But what I want to talk about today might... ruffle some f…