How executives can turn fragmented CX efforts into enterprise-wide customer obsession - Interview with Ray Gerber

How executives can turn fragmented CX efforts into enterprise-wide customer obsession - Interview with Ray Gerber

Author: Adrian Swinscoe | Customer Experience Strategy Expert March 14, 2026 Duration: 30:07

Today’s episode of the Punk CX podcast features Raymond Gerber, the Co-Founder of the Institute for Journey Management (I4JM), Founder of JourneyCentric-CX and author of three new books. He joins me today to talk about the third book (Journey to Customer Obsession- A Leadership Blueprint for CX Maturity and Enterprise Transformation: How executives can turn fragmented CX efforts into enterprise-wide customer obsession), which is effectively the executive edition of the other two books. We talk about the 9-stage journey that organisations go through on the road to customer obsession, journey management and orchestration, why many organisations often stumble into the first stage, Awareness, by accident, the non-negotiable output of consideration, the second stage of the journey, a brief overview of the other stages, and how a leader and their team should get started with all of this.

This interview follows on from my recent interview – More Than A Motto – Interview with Justin Robbins of Metric Sherpa – and is number 577 in the series of interviews with authors and business leaders who are doing great things, providing valuable insights, helping businesses innovate and delivering great service and experience to both their customers and their employees.


There’s a lot of noise around customer experience, but Punk CX: Customer Experience Insights with Adrian Swinscoe cuts through it with conversations that feel more like a strategic workshop than a standard interview. Host Adrian Swinscoe, a customer experience strategy expert, brings a distinctively pragmatic and often contrarian perspective to each discussion. He sits down with a wide range of industry leaders, from entrepreneurs to seasoned executives, to unpack what it really takes to build an organization that people genuinely want to engage with. You’ll hear them delve into the interconnected mechanics of customer service, customer engagement, and the often-overlooked driver of it all: employee experience and engagement. The dialogue naturally explores how technology, from AI to broader digital transformation, can be leveraged practically rather than just hyped, and what it means to build adaptable, responsive organizations with high-performing teams at their core. This podcast moves beyond theory, focusing on the actionable insights and sometimes uncomfortable truths that define modern customer and business strategy. Each episode is designed to give you a tangible takeaway, whether you’re refining your own approach or challenging the status quo within your company.
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