Ep. 49: Jeff (Todd) Wears Birkenstocks (w/ Todd Conklin)

Ep. 49: Jeff (Todd) Wears Birkenstocks (w/ Todd Conklin)

Author: Ben Goodheart, David Provan, Ron Gantt February 11, 2026 Duration: 1:17:15
This episode is what happens when the boys hit record while hanging out with Todd Conklin and then decide, “Good enough, let’s roll with it.” The Toddfather has definitely been seen rocking Birks, so he gets his very own NOFX song reference. It starts where all serious safety conversations should start: punk records, new tattoos, banjo heckling, and arguing about what “tier” everyone is in. Then Todd shows up and immediately ruins the fun by asking a question that actually matters: "Why does safety keep talking about innovation while mostly just polishing the same old stuff and calling it progress?" From there, things go sideways mostly in a good way. The boys talk about how new ideas don’t die because people hate them; they mostly die because nobody keeps pushing them. How safety has gotten weirdly obsessed with full-tilt scientific legitimacy, certainty, and defending itself instead of, you know, making work better. How LinkedIn is not helping. At all. And how most “innovation” in safety is just the same tools with new names and a shitty logo. Todd does what Todd does: calmly points out uncomfortable truths. He's like those old Jello Biafra interviews from the '80s and '90s, just splitting people's minds open. Like the fact that the most interesting innovation isn’t coming from safety conferences; it’s coming from places like pediatric hospitals, high-risk teams that never think they’re good enough, and organizations that actually design around how work happens instead of how they wish it happened. Also, nostalgia is not a strategy, and compliance is not a personality. Somewhere in the middle, they realize (again) that safety isn’t the goal, positive change to how we work is. Safety is just what falls out when work is designed, supported, and adapted well. That realization is immediately followed by more sarcasm, some light despair about the future of leadership, and at least one rant about why “waiting for the next big thinker” is probably a losing move. Does this episode solve anything? Absolutely not, even though the fellas definitely claim to. But, like punk rock, it's a reminder of why this stuff still matters, especially when it feels like the field is stuck in neutral. Also: still no new tattoos. Which honestly feels like the biggest failure of the episode.

Hosts Ben Goodheart, David Provan, and Ron Gantt aren't interested in comfortable safety myths. Their Punk Rock Safety podcast operates on a straightforward, if humbling, premise: many of our most deeply held beliefs about safety in workplaces and organizations are fundamentally flawed, and we've all likely absorbed a few. This isn't about intelligence, but about the sheer volume of misguided concepts that dominate the field. Each episode is a direct conversation between the three, dissecting these pervasive ideas with a blend of practical experience and critical thinking drawn from management, social science, and business. You'll hear them challenge dogma, question standard procedures that sound good but don't work, and argue for a more realistic, human-centered approach. The tone is conversational and often irreverent, but the goal is serious-to cut through the noise and replace empty safety rhetoric with something more substantive and effective. Tuning into this podcast means joining a discussion that prioritizes honest inquiry over easy answers, all in the service of creating environments where people are genuinely protected.
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Ep. 50: Skinny Mike (w/ Mike Rayo) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 56:03
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Ep. 48: How Did The Cat Get So Fat? [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 42:02
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Ep. 47: When Did Punk Rock Become So Safe? [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 38:09
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Ep. 46: My Heart Is Yearning [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 49:59
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Ep. 45: And Now For Something Completely Similar (w/ Brian Hughes) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 53:58
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Ep. 44: Dinosaurs Will Die [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 51:24
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Ep. 43: Punk Rock Saves Lives [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 53:07
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Ep. 42: The Age of Unreason [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 46:43
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Ep. 41: Go to Work Wasted [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 54:37
It's a deep cut, but it's another NOFX song title for the episode. Probably don't go to work wasted, but if you do, make sure you talk about it in the pre-job brief. Pre-job, or pre-task, or pre-work briefs - or whatever…
Ep. 40: Never Mind the Quality, Feel the Width [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 43:29
Another listener question. How good, right? The question? "I am still learning how to apply HOP principles. Can you talk about how they can be used to help us see and respond to risks that never show up in incident data?…