RS362: Hidden Multipliers with Jason Cohen

RS362: Hidden Multipliers with Jason Cohen

Author: Craig Hewitt August 11, 2026 Duration: 50:43
What happens when AI changes the rules of building a software company? According to Jason Cohen, the answer isn't to predict the future. It's to build around things that remain valuable no matter how technology changes. In this episode of Rogue Startups, Craig Hewitt talks with Jason Cohen, founder of WP Engine and SmartBear and author of Hidden Multipliers, about growth, strategy, positioning, and building durable businesses in an age of AI. Jason explains why founders should focus on the transformation customers actually want instead of simply adding AI to their products, why repositioning a product can dramatically increase its value, and how to identify the special combination of strengths, customers, and opportunities where your business can win. Craig and Jason also dig into what kinds of jobs AI is likely to replace, why human creativity and personality remain incredibly valuable, how Jason develops the ideas behind his writing, and why copying someone else's successful framework rarely works without adapting it to your own company culture. Whether you're building a bootstrapped SaaS company, leading a growing startup, or trying to figure out where your business fits in an AI-driven world, this conversation is full of practical ways to think more clearly about strategy, growth, and competitive advantage. Highlights from Craig and Jason’s conversation: How to make strategic decisions in an uncertain market What customers will still value in the age of AI Why AI should solve customer problems rather than simply be added to products How positioning can dramatically increase a product's value Why senior developers benefit more from AI than junior developers What chess teaches us about AI and human creativity Why human personalities still matter in content and marketing How Jason Cohen developed the ideas behind Hidden Multipliers Why copying successful business frameworks often fails How founders can find their own strategic advantage The right and wrong ways to use metrics What AI means for the future of SaaS Resources and Links from This Episode: AI Skills which facilitate ideas from the book and Jason’s articles https://longform.asmartbear.com/ Jason on X: https://x.com/asmartbear hiddenmultipliers.com  Castos Free Tools: castos.com/tools Email me: podcast@roguestartups.com  Find me on X: https://twitter.com/TheCraigHewitt Craig on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/craig-hewitt-78386a66/  

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RS367: How to Hire in the AI Era [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 48:35
Do you need a team to build a successful company these days? On this episode of Rogue Startups, host Craig Hewitt (Castos) and co-host Colin Gray (Alitu and The Podcast Host) tackle one of the biggest questions facing fo…
RS366: When (and how) To Pick a Co-Founder [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 41:23
Should you build your next company alone, or find a co-founder? It's a question that has no easy answer, and AI is making it even more complicated. If one person can now build, market, and operate far more of a business…
RS365: Marketing that Actually Works Today [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 48:45
What happens to marketing when AI can create almost unlimited content, build software in days, and make it easier than ever for anyone to compete? In this episode of Rogue Startups, Craig Hewitt and co-host Colin Gray di…
RS364: Think Less, Do More [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 48:10
AI has made building software dramatically easier. But if everyone can build a product, what happens to SaaS? In this episode of Rogue Startups, Craig Hewitt is joined by co-host Colin Gray for a wide-ranging conversatio…
RS363: Why Talking to AI About Your Business Is Dangerous [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 32:53
While we weren’t looking, AI has quietly embedded itself into the coaching world. Today Craig sits down with new cohost Colin Gray, founder of Alitu and The Podcast Host, to unpack the current state of the industry. They…
RS361: Lessons Learned Selling A Business [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 46:24
Selling a business isn't just about timing the market. It's about knowing yourself. In this episode of Rogue Startups, Craig Hewitt sits down with Colin Gray, founder of Alitu and The Podcast Host, to discuss what it's r…
RS360: Kill the Hippo [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 43:39
If you're building a SaaS company, one of the hardest questions you'll face isn't how to build a product. It's what to build next. In this episode of Rogue Startups, Craig Hewitt talks with Steve McLeod, founder of Featu…
Huge Work (and life) Updates [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 14:53
After an almost 5 month break from the podcast, I'm Back! In this episode I talk through updates with me, Castos, my coaching business, and where the podcast is headed into the future. Spoiler alert...i'm getting a new c…
RS358: Your Design Sucks [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 54:07
In this episode, Craig sits down with Francois Brill, Head of Product at Castos and longtime design collaborator, for an honest and entertaining conversation about what it really takes to build great-looking products in…
RS357: I Got Hacked [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 44:26
This week on the Rogue Startups, Craig gets roasted. He brought in experienced software engineer Brandon Hancock after building the AI-powered SaaS app Outlier largely through “vibe coding,” so Brandon could audit the en…