The Creator of Spring Thinks You Can't Code Serious Software With AI

The Creator of Spring Thinks You Can't Code Serious Software With AI

Author: Tessl May 5, 2026 Duration: 57:11
Rod Johnson — the creator of Spring Framework and founder of Embabel — joins Simon Maple on the AI Native Dev Podcast to share his unfiltered take on where enterprise AI is actually heading. In this episode, Rod breaks down why enterprises are making a huge mistake rewriting Java apps in Python, why vibe coding will destroy your codebase if left unchecked, and why this might be the last generation of frameworks that developers ever choose for themselves. Rod also pulls back the curtain on E...

Hosted by Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple, The AI Native Dev-from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow is a conversation about the profound shift happening right now in how software is created. This isn't just another tech show about using the latest AI tool; it's a deep, ongoing exploration of what it means to build software in an age where artificial intelligence is a fundamental partner. Each episode unpacks the practical realities and the long-term implications of this transition, moving beyond today's assistive copilots to imagine the workflows, team structures, and architectural decisions of a fully AI-native future. For developers and engineering leaders who feel both the excitement and the uncertainty of this moment, the podcast offers grounded discussions, expert insights, and forward-thinking analysis. You'll hear concrete examples of AI's current impact on coding practices alongside speculative, thoughtful debates about where this all might lead. The dialogue is shaped by a genuine curiosity about how we can actively guide this transformation rather than just react to it. Tune in for a nuanced perspective that treats AI not as a simple productivity hack, but as the core of a new development paradigm that is still being written. This Tessl production provides a essential space for anyone invested in the craft of building software to understand and help shape what comes next.
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