How To Use AI Without Getting Deindexed With Jon Gillham

How To Use AI Without Getting Deindexed With Jon Gillham

Author: MatthewBertram.com November 24, 2025 Duration: 46:02
Matthew Bertram and Jon Gillham unpack how AI content, plagiarism risk, and Google’s crackdowns reshape SEO, then lay out guardrails that protect rankings while building real LLM visibility. The focus stays on practical governance, provenance checks, entity health, and adding value beyond words. • Rebrand context and why AI integrity matters • Study showing AI overviews citing AI content • Risks of synthetic data and value of human signals • School and workplace guardrails for AI use • Googl...

For digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs navigating a landscape fundamentally reshaped by artificial intelligence, The Best SEO Podcast: Defining the Future of Search with LLM Visibility™ offers a crucial roadmap. Host Matthew Bertram, the creator of the LLM Visibility™ framework and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital, moves past the well-trodden ground of traditional search engine optimization. Instead, this podcast focuses on the practical strategies required for visibility in an era dominated by Large Language Models. The conversation explores how search behavior is changing, what it means for sustainable online growth, and how to implement the LLM Visibility Stack™ effectively. With over five million downloads, the show has built its reputation on actionable insights rather than theoretical discussions. Each episode breaks down complex AI-driven search concepts into tangible steps, whether you're managing a site's core technical health, crafting content that aligns with new user intents, or rethinking your entire digital marketing funnel. This isn't about speculation; it's a direct line to the evolving tactics that define modern search success. Tune in for a clear-eyed analysis of where search is headed and how to adapt your business, drawing from Matthew's firsthand experience in the field. You'll find a natural fit for this podcast if your goal is to understand and leverage the intersection of SEO and AI for real-world results.
Author: Language: en-us Episodes: 100

The Best SEO Podcast: Defining the Future of Search with LLM Visibility™
Podcast Episodes
How SEO Grew Up With Cameron LiButti [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:00:13
We get real about what AI search changes and what it does not, then map SEO back to fundamentals like attribution, buyer intent, and revenue. We also share how agency teams can use agent workflows and governance to move…
Content First In The AI Era With Zara Carbonell [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 42:13
In this episode of the Best SEO Podcast, hosted by Matthew Bertram, Zara Carbonell joins the show to talk about why AI makes content more important, not less, and how real trust now comes from human context and clear com…
Agentic AI For Marketers With Sebastian Chedal [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 55:14
We map the shift from chat-based AI to real agentic systems that can run workflows, manage memory, and publish results without constant human babysitting. We break down how to design AI agents like jobs so they stay grou…
How To Build An AI First Agency With Len Ward [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 47:07
We talk with Lynn Ward about why marketing is shifting from search and retrieve to solve my problem, and why speed is becoming the moat for agencies and clients alike. We break down what AI-first agencies are building ri…
Stop Paying For SaaS Features You Never Use With Dave Albert [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 44:02
Matthew Bertram sits down with David Albert of CRO Metrics to unpack what is actually changing across SEO, AEO, GEO, LLM visibility, and the modern stack as tools like Claude Code make custom apps and automations feel ef…
AI, IP, And The New Marketing Rules With Sharon Toerek [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 34:19
We dive into how AI is reshaping marketing law and what agencies can do today to protect work, clients, and brand trust. Sharon Toerek shares a practical playbook for policies, contracts, and IP strategy while courts and…
What Actually Scales A Marketing Team With Erik Huberman [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 43:05
We cut through AI hype to show what actually scales: disciplined ops, brand-led content, and a practical framework for awareness, nurturing, and trust. Eric Huberman shares Hawk Media’s scaling lessons, where AI helps, w…