Language, Power, and Whiteness

Language, Power, and Whiteness

Author: Andrew Lefkowits, Val Brown, Courtney Mykytyn November 30, 2022 Duration: 1:04:30
Back in 2020, we had the opportunity to have writer and linguist JPB Gerald on the podcast to talk about all the things. It was a great conversation and if you haven’t had a chance to listen, we encourage you to go back and check it out! Well, JPB (now Dr. Gerald) is back with Val and Andrew to talk about his new book, Antisocial Language Teaching: English and the Pervasive Pathology of Whiteness. In addition to expanding on much of what we talked about in his first time on the show, the book, and this conversation highlights his thoughts on the connection between language, power, and Whiteness, as well as the links between our concept of dis/ability, and the creation of the idea of Blackness. Through the prism of “standardized” language, Dr. Gerald helps us see the ways race, language, dis/ability all work together to create a hierarchy of human value that we all have an obligation to push back against. LINKS: Dr. Gerald’s website (https://jpbgerald.com/) Antisocial Language Teaching: English and the Pervasive Pathology of Whiteness (https://bookshop.org/a/18658/9781800413269) Dr. Gerald’s dissertation (https://academicworks.cuny.edu/hc_sas_etds/892) Worth the Risk: Towards Decentring Whiteness in English Language Teaching (https://ojs-o.library.ubc.ca/index.php/BCTJ/article/view/345) Unstandardized English (https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/unstandardizedenglish) – JPB Gerald’s Podcast (and you can support his work on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unstandardized/) Our first episode with Dr. Gerald (https://integratedschools.org/podcast/jpbgerald/) The Ezel Project – JPB Gerald’s course on whiteness (https://jpbgerald.com/the-ezel-project/) JPB on Twitter (https://twitter.com/JPBGerald) JPB was inspired by Nelson Flores (https://www.gse.upenn.edu/academics/faculty-directory/flores) and Jonathan Rosa (https://ed.stanford.edu/faculty/jdrosa) who have written several pieces together, including Undoing Appropriateness (https://blogs.umass.edu/jdrosa/files/2015/01/HER-Undoing-Appropriateness.pdf), and Unsettling Race and Language (https://cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/blog.nus.edu.sg/dist/d/3920/files/2017/10/RosaFlores_2017-1uu8hyp.pdf) Dr. Jasmine Clark on the melting pot vs mosaic from our show (https://cms.megaphone.fm/organizations/7abbf9fc-e33e-11eb-a3af-5fbc7a3736ff/podcasts/d1296abe-27a8-11ec-9d00-4b96b8f98080/episodes/8551e61e-6f6b-11ed-9ffb-232658a13f1a/%20https://integratedschools.org/podcast/s9e4-whats-up-with-the-suburbs-organizing-building-relationships-and-voting/) Dr. Susan Faircloth on the loss of native languages from our show (https://integratedschools.org/podcast/faircloth/) ACTION STEPS: Check your internal responses to different forms of communication Work not to force the young people in your life into the box of standardized language Work in adult spaces to push on that box to make more space for other forms of communication Talk to the young people in your life about standardized language and their relative access to it Recognize when your access to language makes you comfortable, and push to hear other ideas in those moments (think PTA meetings . . . ) Buy Dr. JPB Gerald’s book – Antisocial Language Teaching (http://bookshop.org/a/18658/9781800413269) Listen to Unstandardized English (https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/unstandardizedenglish) Use these links or start at our Bookshop.org storefront (https://bookshop.org/shop/IntegratedSchools) to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us. Join our Patreon (http://patreon.com/integratedschools) to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further. Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – @integratedschls (https://twitter.com/integratedschls) on twitter, IntegratedSchools (http://facebook.com/integratedschools) on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org. The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits. This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

It’s easy to talk about school integration in the abstract, but what does it actually look like on the ground for families navigating these choices every day? The Integrated Schools Podcast moves beyond theory into the messy, personal realities of race, parenting, and educational equity. Hosted by Andrew Lefkowits, a White dad from Denver, and Val Brown, a Black mom from North Carolina, along with co-author Courtney Mykytyn, this podcast centers conversations that deliberately sit with discomfort and complexity. Each episode brings in voices from across the spectrum-parents making tough school decisions, educators in the trenches, researchers, and community organizers-to explore why our schools remain so segregated and what it truly means to work toward integration. You’ll hear candid stories about navigating predominantly white spaces, confronting personal bias, and the small, daily actions that either challenge or uphold systemic inequities. This isn’t a podcast offering easy answers; instead, it provides a necessary space to listen, reflect, and engage with the nuanced layers of a deeply entrenched issue. The dialogue here is built on the belief that honest, sometimes difficult talk is a prerequisite for meaningful change, both in our schools and in ourselves.
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