Meta's Plan to Win in AI - Andrew Bosworth with Nicholas Thompson

Meta's Plan to Win in AI - Andrew Bosworth with Nicholas Thompson

Author: Atlantic Re:think July 8, 2026 Duration: 50:58
However you feel about Meta, Andrew Bosworth has likely played a part in it. The long-serving right hand to Mark Zuckerberg and current Chief Technology Officer, “Boz” has helped shape almost every stage of the company’s growth. He’s credited with introducing the Facebook News Feed in 2006, and, more recently, with overseeing the company’s efforts in the metaverse. Now, Boz is a key figure behind Meta's artificial intelligence strategy. In late June, he joined Nicholas Thompson, CEO of The Atlantic, for a conversation covering the state of Meta AI: from the privacy concerns around its glasses to its controversial (and now halted) program training models on its employees’ keystrokes and mouse movements to its pivot from open-source AI to a proprietary model. (00:00) Introduction (02:34) Can AI glasses get past the developer ecosystem Catch-22? (05:45) What’s true and false about NameTag, facial recognition, and Meta’s glasses  (09:22) Why Meta tracked employee keystrokes to teach AI how to use computers—and why it stopped (12:20) The legal complications of tracking employee data  (15:58) Why unique professional workflows are more valuable than generic internet text  (18:15) Boz’s vision for AI: a tool to maximize individual human potential, not replace workers  (21:15) How AI produces faster coding but slower thinking, leading to "well-executed bad products"  (24:10) If AI doubles a worker's productivity, do companies hire fewer people or double the team size?  (28:38) Why Boz is optimistic about life "under the algorithm" (32:08) Meta’s pivot from open source (Llama) to closed models (Muse Spark) (37:25) How long will scaling laws hold? (40:26) Where Meta already excels in AI (46:27) Why energy production is the upstream constraint for the future of AI Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholas Thompson sits down with some of the sharpest minds working at the edges of artificial intelligence in The Most Interesting Thing in A.I.. This isn't a dry technical briefing or a series of speculative futures; instead, each conversation digs into the tangible, often surprising ways this technology is already altering the fabric of our daily lives and institutions. You'll hear from leading thinkers who cut through the hype to discuss the real ethical dilemmas, economic shifts, and social transformations unfolding right now. Produced by Atlantic Re:think and PwC, the podcast provides a grounded space to explore questions about creativity, power, work, and truth in an age of intelligent machines. The discussions are built on the premise that understanding AI's impact requires looking beyond code and algorithms to consider human values and consequences. Tune in for thoughtful, accessible dialogues that reframe how we think about one of the most significant forces of our time.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 41

The Most Interesting Thing in AI
Podcast Episodes
Outsourcing Thought - with Nicholas Thompson and Nita Farahany [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 43:14
AI is reshaping not just what we think but how we think. In this episode, Nicholas speaks with neuroethicist and legal scholar Nita Farahany about AI's impact on human cognition. Featured Guest: Nita Farahany, Robinson O…
Ethical Machines - with Nicholas Thompson and Audrey Tang [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 47:31
In the right hands, AI can strengthen human collaboration and civic engagement. In this episode, Nicholas speaks with Taiwanese politician and programmer Audrey Tang about how the technology can be used to enhance democr…
A Different Approach to AI - with Nicholas Thompson and Gary Marcus [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 44:01
Despite the rapid advancements, today’s LLMs are far from infallible. In this episode, Nicholas speaks with author, cognitive scientist, and entrepreneur Gary Marcus, about the ways in which current AI models fall short,…
Season 2 Trailer [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:26
A podcast series examining how AI is reshaping our world. Each episode features a conversation with a leading thinker who offers a fresh perspective on the far-reaching ethical, economic, and social implications of this…
Drawing with Robots  - with Nicholas Thompson and Sougwen Chung [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 30:47
While many in the creative world approach AI with hesitation or fear, others embrace it as a collaborator, using it to expand the possibilities of artistic expression. This episode examines how AI is reshaping creativity…
Incremental vs. Exponential - with Nicholas Thompson and Andrew Ng [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 29:04
AI is advancing at an unprecedented pace. Some experts are convinced that the world as we know it will change dramatically, while others anticipate a more steady evolution. This episode dives into the debate, separating…
Staying Competitive - with Nicholas Thompson and Dan Priest [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 26:03
AI is no longer just a tool for experimentation—it’s becoming a foundational technology that’s reshaping how businesses operate. This episode describes how companies are embedding AI into their products and services, exp…
Deepfakes and Deception - with Nicholas Thompson and Eva Galperin [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 25:18
From voice-cloning scams to the creation of non-consensual nude imagery, the malevolent use of artificial intelligence poses myriad risks to truth, privacy, and personal safety. Cybersecurity expert Eva Galperin discusse…
Machine Consciousness - with Nicholas Thompson and Geoffrey Hinton [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 24:30
What if the most advanced AI models could think and respond in a way that felt like a human consciousness? How might that transform our understanding of intelligence itself? Some of the leading AI scientists believe that…