Meta's Plan to Win in AI - Andrew Bosworth with Nicholas Thompson

Meta's Plan to Win in AI - Andrew Bosworth with Nicholas Thompson

Author: Atlantic Re:think July 8, 2026 Duration: 50:58
However you feel about Meta, Andrew Bosworth has likely played a part in it. The long-serving right hand to Mark Zuckerberg and current Chief Technology Officer, “Boz” has helped shape almost every stage of the company’s growth. He’s credited with introducing the Facebook News Feed in 2006, and, more recently, with overseeing the company’s efforts in the metaverse. Now, Boz is a key figure behind Meta's artificial intelligence strategy. In late June, he joined Nicholas Thompson, CEO of The Atlantic, for a conversation covering the state of Meta AI: from the privacy concerns around its glasses to its controversial (and now halted) program training models on its employees’ keystrokes and mouse movements to its pivot from open-source AI to a proprietary model. (00:00) Introduction (02:34) Can AI glasses get past the developer ecosystem Catch-22? (05:45) What’s true and false about NameTag, facial recognition, and Meta’s glasses  (09:22) Why Meta tracked employee keystrokes to teach AI how to use computers—and why it stopped (12:20) The legal complications of tracking employee data  (15:58) Why unique professional workflows are more valuable than generic internet text  (18:15) Boz’s vision for AI: a tool to maximize individual human potential, not replace workers  (21:15) How AI produces faster coding but slower thinking, leading to "well-executed bad products"  (24:10) If AI doubles a worker's productivity, do companies hire fewer people or double the team size?  (28:38) Why Boz is optimistic about life "under the algorithm" (32:08) Meta’s pivot from open source (Llama) to closed models (Muse Spark) (37:25) How long will scaling laws hold? (40:26) Where Meta already excels in AI (46:27) Why energy production is the upstream constraint for the future of AI Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholas Thompson sits down with some of the sharpest minds working at the edges of artificial intelligence in The Most Interesting Thing in A.I.. This isn't a dry technical briefing or a series of speculative futures; instead, each conversation digs into the tangible, often surprising ways this technology is already altering the fabric of our daily lives and institutions. You'll hear from leading thinkers who cut through the hype to discuss the real ethical dilemmas, economic shifts, and social transformations unfolding right now. Produced by Atlantic Re:think and PwC, the podcast provides a grounded space to explore questions about creativity, power, work, and truth in an age of intelligent machines. The discussions are built on the premise that understanding AI's impact requires looking beyond code and algorithms to consider human values and consequences. Tune in for thoughtful, accessible dialogues that reframe how we think about one of the most significant forces of our time.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 41

The Most Interesting Thing in AI
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How AI Is Changing Code - Paul Ford with Nicholas Thompson [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 50:44
In the last year, AI has arguably made more progress in coding than in any other domain. Its technical capabilities – harnessed through apps like Codex and Claude Code – have changed the way engineers work. Boris Cherny,…
The AI Jobs Disruption - Erik Brynjolfsson with Nicholas Thompson [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:02:27
Of all the potential risks and promises of AI, perhaps none are as immediately dire as this: How will it impact jobs? Will employers still need workers? What will it mean if the answer is “no?” Depending on who you’re ta…
The Limits of Predictive AI - Carissa Véliz with Nicholas Thompson [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 48:10
Can AI predict a person’s future? It’s a promise often made by sales teams, but the technology’s record is far from spotless. Even if it did achieve perfect foresight, a practically-clairvoyant AI might be incompatible w…
AI Utopia or Catastrophe? Nick Bostrom with Nicholas Thompson [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 48:16
Will AI destroy the world, or transform it into one of abundance? Across two books and several papers, philosopher Nick Bostrom has envisioned a range of AI futures. He joins Nicholas Thompson to discuss the ethics of ho…
Sam Altman on Where AI Models Go Next, with Nicholas Thompson [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 53:15
OpenAI’s Sam Altman sits for an interview with Nicholas Thompson, CEO of The Atlantic, to discuss AI’s trustworthiness, its dangers, and its impact on young people. Altman also discusses his company’s pledge to “stop com…
Data Centers in Space - with Nicholas Thompson and Ariel Ekblaw [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 39:35
AI needs data centers, and those data centers need energy and cooling. Recently, one proposal has captured the popular imagination: put data centers in space, where there’s ample solar energy and naturally cool surroundi…
Season 4 Trailer [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 0:59
Where does AI go next? And what happens to us? Join The Atlantic’s CEO Nicholas Thompson as he speaks with leaders, developers, philosophers, and more about AI’s impacts, present and future. New episodes every Wednesday,…
The Copyright Wars - with Nicholas Thompson and Bill Gross [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 36:14
In this episode, The Atlantic’s CEO Nicholas Thompson speaks with serial entrepreneur and Idealab founder Bill Gross about his latest venture, ProRata, a bold attempt to create a fair exchange of value between AI compani…