The AI Jobs Disruption - Erik Brynjolfsson with Nicholas Thompson

The AI Jobs Disruption - Erik Brynjolfsson with Nicholas Thompson

Author: Atlantic Re:think May 27, 2026 Duration: 1:02:27
Of all the potential risks and promises of AI, perhaps none are as immediately dire as this: How will it impact jobs? Will employers still need workers? What will it mean if the answer is “no?” Depending on who you’re talking to, the prospect of a future with fewer jobs is either liberating or terrifying. But for a more measured reaction, it helps to look at the data. Stanford economist Erik Bynjolfsson has done just that, drilling down into AI’s effects on employment, upskilling, output, and more. In a conversation with The Atlantic’s CEO Nichlas Thompson, Brynjolfsson goes through his studies of call centers and other AI-exposed fields, and the surprising findings that could bring some much-needed reality to our fears. (00:00) Introduction to Erik Brynjolfsson and his work on AI economics  (02:51) How much is free AI actually worth?  (05:25) Why isn’t powerful AI showing up in GDP?  (06:48) Introducing GDP-B: A new metric to capture value from free digital goods  (07:23) Why initial AI adoption often lowers output  (09:05) Evidence of the J-curve turning: Call centers, software, and aggregate stats  (14:48) Will AI create more jobs or destroy them? Understanding elastic vs. inelastic demand (19:36) Advice for students and workers: Focus on creating new value, not just efficiency  (21:34) Why AI helps different skill levels differently in call centers vs. coding  (25:47) The "Turing Trap": Why mimicking humans leads to substitution rather than augmentation (30:50) Four policy recommendations: Better metrics, dynamic labor markets, and human-AI complementarity  (37:52) "Canaries in the Coal Mine": Data showing early job displacement in AI-exposed fields  (47:08) How higher labor costs drive automation adoption (52:53) Fair compensation for creators: Designing incentives for the AI-content ecosystem  (59:03) The urgent need to study the transition, not just the technology Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholas Thompson sits down with some of the sharpest minds working at the edges of artificial intelligence in The Most Interesting Thing in A.I.. This isn't a dry technical briefing or a series of speculative futures; instead, each conversation digs into the tangible, often surprising ways this technology is already altering the fabric of our daily lives and institutions. You'll hear from leading thinkers who cut through the hype to discuss the real ethical dilemmas, economic shifts, and social transformations unfolding right now. Produced by Atlantic Re:think and PwC, the podcast provides a grounded space to explore questions about creativity, power, work, and truth in an age of intelligent machines. The discussions are built on the premise that understanding AI's impact requires looking beyond code and algorithms to consider human values and consequences. Tune in for thoughtful, accessible dialogues that reframe how we think about one of the most significant forces of our time.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 41

The Most Interesting Thing in AI
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Building Trustworthy AI - with Nicholas Thompson and Navrina Singh [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 37:03
What happens when AI learns faster than its makers can control? In this episode, Nicholas talks with Navrina Singh, founder and CEO of Credo AI, about how regulation could actually accelerate innovation of more responsib…
AI in Flight - with Nicholas Thompson, Tory Bruno and Joe Schurman [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 39:16
The space race has gone private, and in this new world, efficiency is key. United Launch Alliance CEO Tory Bruno explains how a legacy rocket maker remade itself to compete in an industry full of startups. From load anal…
Artificial Life - with Nicholas Thompson and Lee Cronin [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 26:00
How do you digitize the physical world? In this episode, Nick talks with University of Glasgow chemistry professor Lee Cronin, founder of Chemify—a company that is using AI to turn molecules to code s—about his quest to…
The Future of  AI at Work - with Nicholas Thompson and Matt Wood [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 28:03
What does it take to succeed in the disruptive world of AI? In this episode, Atlantic CEO Nicholas Thompson sits down with Matt Wood, PwC’s Global and U.S. Commercial Technology and Innovation Officer, to trace his path…
The AI Athlete - with Nicholas Thompson and Will Ahmed [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 33:29
Can AI unlock your full potential as an athlete? In this episode, Nicholas speaks with Will Ahmed, founder and CEO of Whoop, about how wearable technology and AI are transforming health, performance, and longevity. From…
Neuro-Symbolic AI - with Nicholas Thompson and Ohad Elhelo [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 38:03
In this episode, Atlantic CEO Nicholas Thompson speaks with Ohad Elhelo, co-founder and CEO of AUI, about neuro-symbolic systems. Apollo-1, AUI's neuro-symbolic foundational model, promises both the fluency of generative…
Season 3 Trailer [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:26
A podcast series examining how AI is reshaping our world. Each episode features a conversation with a leading thinker who offers a fresh perspective on the far-reaching ethical, economic, and social implications of this…
AI Optimism - with Nicholas Thompson and Kevin Kelly [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 37:12
What happens if we get AI right? In this episode, Nicholas speaks with Wired co-founder Kevin Kelly about AI’s potential to positively impact the future of humanity. Featured Guest: Kevin Kelly, co-founder of Wired Learn…
Pharma's Future - with Nicholas Thompson, Diogo Rau and Dan Priest [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 41:11
How is AI shaping the future of healthcare? In this episode, Nicholas speaks with Eli Lilly’s Diogo Rau about how AI is making it easier and faster to find life-saving drugs, and PwC Chief AI Officer Dan Priest about how…
Making Music With AI - with Nicholas Thompson and Holly Herndon [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 36:39
AI is transforming the creative landscape, opening up possibilities for a new generation of artists. In this episode, Nicholas speaks with experimental musician and AI artist Holly Herndon about the intersection of human…