The AI Jobs Disruption - Erik Brynjolfsson with Nicholas Thompson

The AI Jobs Disruption - Erik Brynjolfsson with Nicholas Thompson

Author: Atlantic Re:think May 27, 2026 Duration: 1:02:27
Of all the potential risks and promises of AI, perhaps none are as immediately dire as this: How will it impact jobs? Will employers still need workers? What will it mean if the answer is “no?” Depending on who you’re talking to, the prospect of a future with fewer jobs is either liberating or terrifying. But for a more measured reaction, it helps to look at the data. Stanford economist Erik Bynjolfsson has done just that, drilling down into AI’s effects on employment, upskilling, output, and more. In a conversation with The Atlantic’s CEO Nichlas Thompson, Brynjolfsson goes through his studies of call centers and other AI-exposed fields, and the surprising findings that could bring some much-needed reality to our fears. (00:00) Introduction to Erik Brynjolfsson and his work on AI economics  (02:51) How much is free AI actually worth?  (05:25) Why isn’t powerful AI showing up in GDP?  (06:48) Introducing GDP-B: A new metric to capture value from free digital goods  (07:23) Why initial AI adoption often lowers output  (09:05) Evidence of the J-curve turning: Call centers, software, and aggregate stats  (14:48) Will AI create more jobs or destroy them? Understanding elastic vs. inelastic demand (19:36) Advice for students and workers: Focus on creating new value, not just efficiency  (21:34) Why AI helps different skill levels differently in call centers vs. coding  (25:47) The "Turing Trap": Why mimicking humans leads to substitution rather than augmentation (30:50) Four policy recommendations: Better metrics, dynamic labor markets, and human-AI complementarity  (37:52) "Canaries in the Coal Mine": Data showing early job displacement in AI-exposed fields  (47:08) How higher labor costs drive automation adoption (52:53) Fair compensation for creators: Designing incentives for the AI-content ecosystem  (59:03) The urgent need to study the transition, not just the technology Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholas Thompson sits down with some of the sharpest minds working at the edges of artificial intelligence in The Most Interesting Thing in A.I.. This isn't a dry technical briefing or a series of speculative futures; instead, each conversation digs into the tangible, often surprising ways this technology is already altering the fabric of our daily lives and institutions. You'll hear from leading thinkers who cut through the hype to discuss the real ethical dilemmas, economic shifts, and social transformations unfolding right now. Produced by Atlantic Re:think and PwC, the podcast provides a grounded space to explore questions about creativity, power, work, and truth in an age of intelligent machines. The discussions are built on the premise that understanding AI's impact requires looking beyond code and algorithms to consider human values and consequences. Tune in for thoughtful, accessible dialogues that reframe how we think about one of the most significant forces of our time.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 41

The Most Interesting Thing in AI
Podcast Episodes
Outsourcing Thought - with Nicholas Thompson and Nita Farahany [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 43:14
AI is reshaping not just what we think but how we think. In this episode, Nicholas speaks with neuroethicist and legal scholar Nita Farahany about AI's impact on human cognition. Featured Guest: Nita Farahany, Robinson O…
Ethical Machines - with Nicholas Thompson and Audrey Tang [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 47:31
In the right hands, AI can strengthen human collaboration and civic engagement. In this episode, Nicholas speaks with Taiwanese politician and programmer Audrey Tang about how the technology can be used to enhance democr…
A Different Approach to AI - with Nicholas Thompson and Gary Marcus [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 44:01
Despite the rapid advancements, today’s LLMs are far from infallible. In this episode, Nicholas speaks with author, cognitive scientist, and entrepreneur Gary Marcus, about the ways in which current AI models fall short,…
Season 2 Trailer [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:26
A podcast series examining how AI is reshaping our world. Each episode features a conversation with a leading thinker who offers a fresh perspective on the far-reaching ethical, economic, and social implications of this…
Drawing with Robots  - with Nicholas Thompson and Sougwen Chung [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 30:47
While many in the creative world approach AI with hesitation or fear, others embrace it as a collaborator, using it to expand the possibilities of artistic expression. This episode examines how AI is reshaping creativity…
Incremental vs. Exponential - with Nicholas Thompson and Andrew Ng [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 29:04
AI is advancing at an unprecedented pace. Some experts are convinced that the world as we know it will change dramatically, while others anticipate a more steady evolution. This episode dives into the debate, separating…
Staying Competitive - with Nicholas Thompson and Dan Priest [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 26:03
AI is no longer just a tool for experimentation—it’s becoming a foundational technology that’s reshaping how businesses operate. This episode describes how companies are embedding AI into their products and services, exp…
Deepfakes and Deception - with Nicholas Thompson and Eva Galperin [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 25:18
From voice-cloning scams to the creation of non-consensual nude imagery, the malevolent use of artificial intelligence poses myriad risks to truth, privacy, and personal safety. Cybersecurity expert Eva Galperin discusse…
Machine Consciousness - with Nicholas Thompson and Geoffrey Hinton [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 24:30
What if the most advanced AI models could think and respond in a way that felt like a human consciousness? How might that transform our understanding of intelligence itself? Some of the leading AI scientists believe that…