The Case Against the AI Bubble - Azeem Azhar with Nicholas Thompson

The Case Against the AI Bubble - Azeem Azhar with Nicholas Thompson

Author: Atlantic Re:think September 23, 2026 Duration: 1:05:15
Among the many eye-popping numbers of the AI industry—from trillions in investments to billions in spending—one stands out: $0 in profit among leading AI companies. According to Bloomberg, “never before has so much money been spent so rapidly on a technology that, for all its potential, remains largely unproven as an avenue for profit-making.” That imbalance, and the industry’s reliance on circular financing, has led to fears of a bubble. But those concerns are overblown, according to Azeem Azhar, author of the Exponential View newsletter, who earlier this year released a report on the AI economy. In conversation with Nicholas Thompson, CEO of The Atlantic, Azhar expands on his findings. He says AI’s finances are sound: the demand is there, revenue is growing, and the technology will advance enough to deliver on the necessary ROI. Produced independently of The Atlantic’s editorial staff. Supporting sponsor: PwC. (00:00) Introduction (03:40) Mapping the AI economy through forensic accounting (07:50) How to think about infrastructure spend  (16:30) The "J-curve" of AI adoption (24:00) How cheaper tokens will change the market  (27:17) China's AI strategy (40:22) Is there something that could break Azeem’s model?  (48:34) What could happen when the AI firms IPO  (53:34) The effects of the culture in Silicon Valley  (56:34) Which bubble-breaker scenario worries Azeem the most (59:16) What Azeem would do if he had an unlimited budget to invest in AI Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholas Thompson sits down with some of the sharpest minds working at the edges of artificial intelligence in The Most Interesting Thing in A.I.. This isn't a dry technical briefing or a series of speculative futures; instead, each conversation digs into the tangible, often surprising ways this technology is already altering the fabric of our daily lives and institutions. You'll hear from leading thinkers who cut through the hype to discuss the real ethical dilemmas, economic shifts, and social transformations unfolding right now. Produced by Atlantic Re:think and PwC, the podcast provides a grounded space to explore questions about creativity, power, work, and truth in an age of intelligent machines. The discussions are built on the premise that understanding AI's impact requires looking beyond code and algorithms to consider human values and consequences. Tune in for thoughtful, accessible dialogues that reframe how we think about one of the most significant forces of our time.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 41

The Most Interesting Thing in AI
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Duration: 39:16
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Duration: 26:00
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The Future of  AI at Work - with Nicholas Thompson and Matt Wood [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 28:03
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The AI Athlete - with Nicholas Thompson and Will Ahmed [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 33:29
Can AI unlock your full potential as an athlete? In this episode, Nicholas speaks with Will Ahmed, founder and CEO of Whoop, about how wearable technology and AI are transforming health, performance, and longevity. From…
Neuro-Symbolic AI - with Nicholas Thompson and Ohad Elhelo [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 38:03
In this episode, Atlantic CEO Nicholas Thompson speaks with Ohad Elhelo, co-founder and CEO of AUI, about neuro-symbolic systems. Apollo-1, AUI's neuro-symbolic foundational model, promises both the fluency of generative…
Season 3 Trailer [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:26
A podcast series examining how AI is reshaping our world. Each episode features a conversation with a leading thinker who offers a fresh perspective on the far-reaching ethical, economic, and social implications of this…
AI Optimism - with Nicholas Thompson and Kevin Kelly [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 37:12
What happens if we get AI right? In this episode, Nicholas speaks with Wired co-founder Kevin Kelly about AI’s potential to positively impact the future of humanity. Featured Guest: Kevin Kelly, co-founder of Wired Learn…
Pharma's Future - with Nicholas Thompson, Diogo Rau and Dan Priest [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 41:11
How is AI shaping the future of healthcare? In this episode, Nicholas speaks with Eli Lilly’s Diogo Rau about how AI is making it easier and faster to find life-saving drugs, and PwC Chief AI Officer Dan Priest about how…
Making Music With AI - with Nicholas Thompson and Holly Herndon [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 36:39
AI is transforming the creative landscape, opening up possibilities for a new generation of artists. In this episode, Nicholas speaks with experimental musician and AI artist Holly Herndon about the intersection of human…