The Case Against the AI Bubble - Azeem Azhar with Nicholas Thompson

The Case Against the AI Bubble - Azeem Azhar with Nicholas Thompson

Author: Atlantic Re:think September 23, 2026 Duration: 1:05:15
Among the many eye-popping numbers of the AI industry—from trillions in investments to billions in spending—one stands out: $0 in profit among leading AI companies. According to Bloomberg, “never before has so much money been spent so rapidly on a technology that, for all its potential, remains largely unproven as an avenue for profit-making.” That imbalance, and the industry’s reliance on circular financing, has led to fears of a bubble. But those concerns are overblown, according to Azeem Azhar, author of the Exponential View newsletter, who earlier this year released a report on the AI economy. In conversation with Nicholas Thompson, CEO of The Atlantic, Azhar expands on his findings. He says AI’s finances are sound: the demand is there, revenue is growing, and the technology will advance enough to deliver on the necessary ROI. Produced independently of The Atlantic’s editorial staff. Supporting sponsor: PwC. (00:00) Introduction (03:40) Mapping the AI economy through forensic accounting (07:50) How to think about infrastructure spend  (16:30) The "J-curve" of AI adoption (24:00) How cheaper tokens will change the market  (27:17) China's AI strategy (40:22) Is there something that could break Azeem’s model?  (48:34) What could happen when the AI firms IPO  (53:34) The effects of the culture in Silicon Valley  (56:34) Which bubble-breaker scenario worries Azeem the most (59:16) What Azeem would do if he had an unlimited budget to invest in AI Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholas Thompson sits down with some of the sharpest minds working at the edges of artificial intelligence in The Most Interesting Thing in A.I.. This isn't a dry technical briefing or a series of speculative futures; instead, each conversation digs into the tangible, often surprising ways this technology is already altering the fabric of our daily lives and institutions. You'll hear from leading thinkers who cut through the hype to discuss the real ethical dilemmas, economic shifts, and social transformations unfolding right now. Produced by Atlantic Re:think and PwC, the podcast provides a grounded space to explore questions about creativity, power, work, and truth in an age of intelligent machines. The discussions are built on the premise that understanding AI's impact requires looking beyond code and algorithms to consider human values and consequences. Tune in for thoughtful, accessible dialogues that reframe how we think about one of the most significant forces of our time.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 41

The Most Interesting Thing in AI
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Outsourcing Thought - with Nicholas Thompson and Nita Farahany [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 43:14
AI is reshaping not just what we think but how we think. In this episode, Nicholas speaks with neuroethicist and legal scholar Nita Farahany about AI's impact on human cognition. Featured Guest: Nita Farahany, Robinson O…
Ethical Machines - with Nicholas Thompson and Audrey Tang [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 47:31
In the right hands, AI can strengthen human collaboration and civic engagement. In this episode, Nicholas speaks with Taiwanese politician and programmer Audrey Tang about how the technology can be used to enhance democr…
A Different Approach to AI - with Nicholas Thompson and Gary Marcus [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 44:01
Despite the rapid advancements, today’s LLMs are far from infallible. In this episode, Nicholas speaks with author, cognitive scientist, and entrepreneur Gary Marcus, about the ways in which current AI models fall short,…
Season 2 Trailer [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:26
A podcast series examining how AI is reshaping our world. Each episode features a conversation with a leading thinker who offers a fresh perspective on the far-reaching ethical, economic, and social implications of this…
Drawing with Robots  - with Nicholas Thompson and Sougwen Chung [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 30:47
While many in the creative world approach AI with hesitation or fear, others embrace it as a collaborator, using it to expand the possibilities of artistic expression. This episode examines how AI is reshaping creativity…
Incremental vs. Exponential - with Nicholas Thompson and Andrew Ng [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 29:04
AI is advancing at an unprecedented pace. Some experts are convinced that the world as we know it will change dramatically, while others anticipate a more steady evolution. This episode dives into the debate, separating…
Staying Competitive - with Nicholas Thompson and Dan Priest [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 26:03
AI is no longer just a tool for experimentation—it’s becoming a foundational technology that’s reshaping how businesses operate. This episode describes how companies are embedding AI into their products and services, exp…
Deepfakes and Deception - with Nicholas Thompson and Eva Galperin [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 25:18
From voice-cloning scams to the creation of non-consensual nude imagery, the malevolent use of artificial intelligence poses myriad risks to truth, privacy, and personal safety. Cybersecurity expert Eva Galperin discusse…
Machine Consciousness - with Nicholas Thompson and Geoffrey Hinton [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 24:30
What if the most advanced AI models could think and respond in a way that felt like a human consciousness? How might that transform our understanding of intelligence itself? Some of the leading AI scientists believe that…