#5: Using the DEARMAN Framework to Say No

#5: Using the DEARMAN Framework to Say No

Author: Bay Area DBT & Couples Counseling Center May 29, 2019 Duration: 28:47

Do you find it hard to say 'no', or get what you want in your relationships? Today, Marielle and Ed will be talking about interpersonal effectiveness. The interpersonal effectiveness skills in DBT are practical and they are really helpful in giving us a structure for obtaining what we want and need in relationships. These skills also provide us with a structure for saying 'no', while maintaining our self-respect. This is something that many of us seem to struggle with, so tune in now, to find out more.

In DBT, it's important to think about balance when trying to ask for something or to say 'no' to something in relationships. In today's podcast, Marielle and Ed will be introducing the interpersonal effectiveness module, and they will be discussing one of the module's core skills. Listen in, to find out what they have to share about these really effective interpersonal skills.

Show Highlights:

  • In DBT, when looking at interpersonal effectiveness skills, we're trying to balance different needs and priorities.
  • Meeting our objectives, maintaining the relationship, and maintaining self-respect are all important things to consider.
  • DBT helps people figure out which of the three goals has top priority, in order to help people figure out which skill to use.
  • Sometimes, people are not clear about what they want from a situation.
  • How to look for the middle and avoid the extremes in relationships.
  • Thinking about some of the hard conversations in advance can be super helpful.
  • When emotions are high, we're not able to be as effective in asking or saying 'no' because the emotion may cloud things
  • When our emotions are high, the tendency is to focus only on the short-term and we forget our long-term goals.
  • Some common myths that people have about interpersonal effectiveness and relationships.
  • Looking at common interpersonal myths such as:  I don't deserve to get what we want or need or I should always be willing to sacrifice my own needs for those of others.
  • It's hard for some people to tolerate others feeling upset with them, so they find it hard to ask for something or say 'no'.
  • Some of the myths people who place their self-respect first all the time tend to believe. People should just know what I need so I shouldn't have to ask is a common one.
  • Learning the skill of Radical Acceptance and how that relates to relationships.
  • Ed and Marielle go through the foundational skill of the interpersonal effectiveness module in DBT. It's the acronym DEARMAN. D=describe, E=express, A=assert or ask, R=reinforce, M=mindful, A=appear confident, N=negotiate.
  • Ed and Marielle bring DEARMAN to life with an example. 
  • Marielle gives some real-life examples of DEARMAN from their own working relationship.
  • In the relationships where we are most comfortable and we let our guard down, is often where we are the least thoughtful. It really helps to have a structure to hold on to and to help us be more thoughtful about these types of interactions.
  • Writing out a brief script for yourself before having a hard conversation can really help you to remain focused.

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Hosted by the clinicians at the Bay Area DBT & Couples Counseling Center, The Skillful Podcast is a practical guide for anyone feeling stuck in their emotional patterns or relationships. Instead of abstract theory, each episode breaks down tangible skills from two powerful frameworks: Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) and Radically-Open DBT (RO-DBT). You'll hear straightforward explanations of concepts like mindfulness, distress tolerance, and emotional regulation, but also learn about the often-overlooked skills of openness, flexibility, and social connectedness that RO-DBT emphasizes. The focus is always on application-how to take these ideas off the therapist's couch and weave them into your daily interactions and internal world. Whether navigating personal stress, a challenging conversation, or the pursuit of a more fulfilling life, this podcast offers concrete tools to try in real time. It’s a resource for building resilience from the inside out, episode by episode. Tuning in feels less like a lecture and more like a thoughtful consultation, where complex psychological wisdom is translated into actionable steps for reducing suffering and fostering deeper connections with others and yourself.
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Duration: 32:35
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