Axios Is Out. Fetchium Is In. (Presented by Warp)

This week, Robbie and Adam welcome Kristen Garrett to talk signals, reactivity, and whether we've finally found the abstraction that makes sense. They dig into the differences between signals and hooks, why parameterized signals matter, how async fits into reactivity, and whether Fetchium is about to replace Axios and TanStack Query. Along the way, they debate observables versus promises, the death of prop drilling, quantum computing cracking Bitcoin, why AI needs simpler abstractions, and whether humans are about to become legacy dependencies in their own codebases. Presented by Warp: https://www.warp.dev/oz In this episode: Chapters 00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions 00:00:37 Sponsor: Warp Terminal & Cloud Agents 00:02:46 Whiskey Introduction: Holladay Soft Red Wheat Bourbon 00:04:17 What Are Signals? The Reactivity Primer 00:07:00 Signalium Deep Dive: Parameterized Signals & Reactive Promises 00:13:15 The Hooks Problem: Why React's Model Has Limits 00:14:21 Observables vs Signals: The Ergonomics Debate 00:27:21 Async in Reactivity: Reactive Promises & Relays 00:03:49 Fetchium: The Last Data Client You'll Ever Need 00:24:50 The Signals Proposal & TC39 Standardization 00:45:25 Prop Drilling vs Threading: Understanding Data Flow 00:38:05 AI & The Future of Development: Reading Code Matters More Than Ever 00:32:29 Gea Framework: Compiler Magic Without Hooks or Signals 00:56:27 Crypto, Verifiability & The AI Spam Problem 00:58:28 Quantum Computing vs Bitcoin: The 2029 Threat 01:02:44 Digital Ownership & The Streaming Problem 01:08:55 Whiskey Rating & Final Thoughts 01:07:06 Wrap Up & Where to Find Signalium and Fetchium Links Holladay Soft Red Wheat Bottled in Bond: https://holladaybourbon.com/holladay-soft-red-wheat-bourbon/ Signalium: https://signalium.dev/ Fetchium: https://fetchium.dev/ Signals Proposal: https://github.com/tc39/proposal-signals MobX: https://mobx.js.org/ Angular: https://angular.dev/ Vue: https://vuejs.org/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Solid: https://www.solidjs.com/ React: https://react.dev/ Jotai: https://jotai.org/ Legend State: https://legendapp.com/open-source/state/ Apollo Client: https://www.apollographql.com/docs/react/ TanStack Query: https://tanstack.com/query/ Ember: https://emberjs.com/ Gea: https://geajs.com/ TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ Ethereum: https://ethereum.org/ Bitcoin: https://bitcoin.org/ Shor's Algorithm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shor%27s_algorithm Data Hoarders: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/ Wayne's World: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne%27s_World Connect with Kristen GitHub: https://github.com/pzuraq Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pzuraq.bsky.social Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/ChuckCarpenter Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot Merch Enjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.