The Illusion of a Clear, Direct Path to Freedom with Chinyere Tutashinda and Rico Sisney

The Illusion of a Clear, Direct Path to Freedom with Chinyere Tutashinda and Rico Sisney

Author: How to Survive the End of the World July 25, 2025 Duration: 58:06

As we near the end of our season of solidarity, the sisters are thrilled to go deep with Chinyere Tutashinda, co-founder of the BlackOUT Collective and current Executive Director at the Center for Third World Organizing Hub, and Rico Sisney, Director of Action Strategies and Programs at the Center for  Third World Organizing Hub.

They discuss reform vs. revolution, taking America for granted, the dysfunction of the USA, direct actions that model concepts beyond nation-states, choosing right actions in troubling times, it's not either/or, being prefigurative in our actions, how much of a population needs to actively participate for there to be movement, regime change vs. systems change, how power is fundamentally held, keeping vulnerable communities safe while participating, risk tolerance, who's gonna water your plants if you're in jail, what makes a tactic legitimate, the biggest block to solidarity and the illusion of a clear, direct path to freedom.

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Sisters Autumn Brown and adrienne maree brown host How to Survive the End of the World, a podcast rooted in their shared lives as writers, activists, and facilitators shaped by multiracial diasporic lineages. This isn't a theoretical discussion about distant catastrophes; it's a direct, grounded conversation about the endings we are all already living through-the collapse of systems, the death of old ways, and the personal transformations that feel like worlds dissolving. Each episode delves into the tangible, often messy practices a community needs to navigate these ruptures. You'll hear them explore how we grieve, how we organize, how we imagine futures, and how we find wholeness even as things fall apart. The dialogue is intimate and urgent, moving from the kitchen table to the front lines of social change, always asking what it means to survive with integrity and connection. This podcast operates from the belief that learning to face endings together is the first, most necessary step toward building something new. For more from Autumn and adrienne, find them at endoftheworldshow.org.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 50

How to Survive the End of the World
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