Toronto tales and more

Toronto tales and more

Author: Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson October 1, 2025 Duration: 59:11

The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! 

Overview

Rob and Greg return to break down CMLS 2025 in Toronto, offering their candid takes on the good, the bad, and the ugly of the event. From bold leadership discussions and MLS operational shifts to vendor frustrations and AI speculation, they cover the hot topics shaping the industry. The episode also dives into the Compass/Anywhere merger, vendor challenges, and how AI may (or may not) reshape real estate.

Key Takeaways

  • CMLS 2025 Recap: Despite venue issues, the conference featured strong panels on MLS operations and leadership .

  • Bold Leadership: Key discussions included separating associations and MLSs, technology shifts like AWS migration, and communication strategies for major decisions 

  • Compass/Anywhere Merger: MLS execs showed a pragmatic stance, with little immediate panic over the deal .

  • Vendor Struggles: Vendors continue to face slow MLS sales cycles, entrenched incumbents, and a "glacial pace" of change .

  • AI's Role: Debate on whether AI will increase the number of realtors (2 million by 2030?) or simply change workflows in MLS operations and compliance .

  • Opendoor's AI Push: Skepticism over Opendoor's "AI-first" pivot, with questions about what it really means for flipping houses

 

Links

Friday Flash: The coming Realtor boom

Letter from The Realty Alliance to CMLS

Kaz Nejatian X post on "AI Native" with Greg's reply

 

Connect with Rob and Greg

Rob's Website 

Greg's Website 

 

Watch us on YouTube

 

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Industry Relations is a weekly conversation hosted by Rob Hahn, also known as The Notorious ROB, and Greg Robertson. It operates at a unique crossroads, examining where the business of real estate collides with and is reshaped by new technology. This isn't a surface-level tech review; the discussion comes from an insider's perspective, built on years of direct experience within the field. Each episode delves into the practical implications of software platforms, shifting market data, and emerging business models that are actively changing how properties are bought, sold, and managed. The hosts analyze trends, debate strategies, and often challenge conventional wisdom, providing a nuanced look at the forces driving change. Listening to this podcast offers a deeper understanding of the operational and entrepreneurial challenges faced by professionals navigating this evolving landscape. You'll hear specific case studies, evaluations of new tools, and forward-looking predictions about what's next for the industry. The tone is direct and informed, reflecting the hosts' deep background, making it essential for anyone invested in the future of real estate as a business. Tune in for thoughtful, weekly analysis that goes beyond the headlines.
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