Using orchestrated serendipity allowed one brand to improve its conversion rate by 15% - Interview with Gregg Johnson of Invoca

Using orchestrated serendipity allowed one brand to improve its conversion rate by 15% - Interview with Gregg Johnson of Invoca

Author: Adrian Swinscoe | Customer Experience Strategy Expert May 14, 2026 Duration: 36:45

Today’s episode of the Punk CX podcast features a recent conversation I had with Gregg Johnson, CEO of Invoca, a leading revenue execution platform. Gregg and I recorded this podcast while we were both at Adobe Summit in Las Vegas recently. We talk about why the buying experience is broken at the exact moment customers need help most, why trust is the competitive moat, whether we will see more and more brands develop their own specific SLMs, what brands should be doing to build up trust with customers and their recent research which finds that while 86% of marketers believe AI improves the buying experience, only 35% of consumers agree and which brands are getting it right.

This interview follows on from my recent interview – Why you don’t need a separate AI strategy – Interview with Charlene Li – and is number 586 in the series of interviews with authors and business leaders who are doing great things, providing valuable insights, helping businesses innovate and delivering great service and experience to both their customers and their employees.


There’s a lot of noise around customer experience, but Punk CX: Customer Experience Insights with Adrian Swinscoe cuts through it with conversations that feel more like a strategic workshop than a standard interview. Host Adrian Swinscoe, a customer experience strategy expert, brings a distinctively pragmatic and often contrarian perspective to each discussion. He sits down with a wide range of industry leaders, from entrepreneurs to seasoned executives, to unpack what it really takes to build an organization that people genuinely want to engage with. You’ll hear them delve into the interconnected mechanics of customer service, customer engagement, and the often-overlooked driver of it all: employee experience and engagement. The dialogue naturally explores how technology, from AI to broader digital transformation, can be leveraged practically rather than just hyped, and what it means to build adaptable, responsive organizations with high-performing teams at their core. This podcast moves beyond theory, focusing on the actionable insights and sometimes uncomfortable truths that define modern customer and business strategy. Each episode is designed to give you a tangible takeaway, whether you’re refining your own approach or challenging the status quo within your company.
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