Ep 15: Phones, People and Pancakes!!! with Graham Handley and Susie Lober

Hosted by marketing consultant Ayo Abbas, The Built Environment Marketing Show carves out a necessary space for professionals in architecture and engineering. This isn't a general business podcast; it's a focused conversation on the specific strategies and tactics that resonate within the built environment. Ayo brings forward voices and perspectives that often go unheard in mainstream marketing discussions, ensuring the content is both relevant and refreshingly practical. Each episode is built on the premise that effective marketing for these creative, technical fields requires a specialized approach. You'll hear from experts who understand not just marketing theory, but what actually works when trying to reach clients, win projects, and build a reputation in these industries. The discussions move beyond abstract ideas to deliver actionable hints and tips you can apply directly to your practice. Tuning into this podcast means getting a candid look at the challenges and opportunities of promoting design and engineering services, all from a host and guests who have been in the trenches. It’s an independent resource dedicated to making marketing feel less like a foreign language and more like a powerful tool for growth.