#311: Am I a Governer or an Adviser

#311: Am I a Governer or an Adviser

Author: Kim John Payne/Center for Social Sustainability April 27, 2026 Duration: 10:13

In this episode, Kim John Payne offers a quick overview of the Soul of Discipline framework and then focuses on a common confusion in the early years: the difference between being a governor and being an advisor. He explains that during the first seven to nine years, parents serve as the governor of the family state, establishing values, rhythms, and how things are done. Later comes the gardener phase (around nine to twelve), where parents listen, coach, and then decide. Finally, in the teenage years, parents become guides, helping young people stay true to their direction rather than imposing opinions.

Kim highlights how easily parents can drift from governor into advisor territory, often out of a desire to be polite or respectful. Phrases like "shall we all get into the car?" or "who would like to put their coat on?" unintentionally position the child as the decision-maker. While this may smooth things over in the moment, it creates confusion about who is leading the family and leaves children feeling less secure. Kim even suggests that some parents drift further into what he calls "butler" territory, where they feel they are serving the children rather than guiding them. He encourages parents to spend a week observing themselves from the “balcony", noticing whether they offer too many open-ended choices. Closed ended choices ("you may choose between toast and cereal") keep parents in the governor role, while open-ended questions ("what would you like for breakfast?") hand authority to the child. The goal is to fold children into the warm, safe structure of family leadership.

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Kim John Payne, author of the bestselling book "Simplicity Parenting," brings his decades of experience as a family counselor and educator directly to you in The Simplicity Parenting Podcast with Kim John Payne. Each episode feels like a thoughtful conversation, moving beyond quick tips to explore the deeper rhythms of family life. You’ll hear practical wisdom on reducing the clutter-not just of toys, but of schedules, expectations, and digital noise-that so often overwhelms modern childhood. This podcast delves into how creating a calmer, more predictable home environment can strengthen your child's resilience, focus, and sense of security. Payne addresses real questions from parents, offering grounded strategies for everything from sibling rivalry and screen time to fostering authentic play and emotional well-being. The discussions are rooted in the understanding that simplifying isn't about deprivation, but about making space for connection and growth. Tune in for a supportive, nuanced exploration of parenting that honors the unique spirit of your family. Each weekly episode serves as a gentle reminder that the most meaningful moments often arise from a less hurried, more intentional approach to life together.
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